Saturday, February 17, 2007

My Friend Ned

I really didn't want to talk about this because it's some junior high bullshit, but people have been emailing me and I've been hearing about it all week and it's all been building up so I felt like I had to let it out.

Here's what happened:

Last Saturday Joe Rogan was at his "home", The Comedy Store in LA, and he was introducing a comedian who works on my show (cause Rogan isn't good enough to close), and he introduced the guy by saying he works for Carlos Mencia "who steals people's jokes". The guy who works for my show was supposed to come out, do 15 minutes, and then introduce Carlos. But Carlos heard what Joe said and came out and said basically "hey man, you've been talking this shit about me for years, why don't you say it to my face?"

So Joe comes out on stage and just starts yelling. Carlos yelled back. This went on for 15 minutes - I feel bad for the tourists out from Orlando who actually wanted to see a comedy show.

Anyway, Joe Rogan can't get a show on the air that doesn't involve Thai fighting or eating elephant's dick, so he has a camera following him around at all times for his reality show that airs...on his blog (he's big time). And even though it's against the rules to tape inside a standup comedy place, his guy had the camera rolling for this confrontation.

But Joe couldn't just show the footage and let people judge for himself. No. He had to take 3 days on his final cut pro to mix together the new footage with old footage, mixing and matching stuff, to make a new fictional movie. He then posted it on his website, youtube, and anywhere else he could find. He didn't have the balls to just show what happened Saturday, instead he had to piece some propaganda together like Leni Riefenstahl.

It makes Carlos look bad. Of course it does. It was created by the guy who is the most jealous of him. Let's talk about where this all comes from.

15 years ago Taco Bell came out with a product that they gave a cute Spanish name to, a name that in Spanish was actually slang for "little dick". Well, how long do you think it took every beaner comedian to do a joke about it? Not long. But for some reason, George Lopez claims he was first (he wasn't, I know a guy who says George stole it from HIM - I don't believe him either though). It turns out, Carlos Mencia was doing a joke about that product too - and a feud was born.

This has to go down as one of the history's dumbest feuds - two beaners fighting over a Taco Bell joke? That's like two jewish comedians fighting over a circumcision bit. It's really stupid because there were 5 other comedians talking about this Taco Bell thing, but Lopez and Mencia were the most famous and George was so enraged by it, that it became a thing.

Now comes "fencegate". Remember when the news came out that the government was going to build a fence along the US/Mexico border? Okay, how long do you think it took for every comedian on the planet to come up with "who's gonna build that fence? The Mexicans!" Not exactly a stretch to go there. In fact, I've heard 5 different comedians do it. Carlos Mencia is one of them (which shouldn't be a surprise, he does a lot of fence jokes). DL Hughley is another. And some asshole named Ari Shaffir is another (I have some personal animosity towards the guy even though I don't know him - he has gotten into fist fights with 2 of my friends, both of whom are a foot shorter than him).

So part of the video that Joe cut together features Ari doing that fence joke and then Carlos doing a similar joke two years later. What does this prove? I don't know. I guess you could say then that DL and the other comedians I've seen do the joke are thieves as well, but I don't believe that. What I do believe is that in the world of ideas, a lot of people have similar ones. Do you know how many times I've written down an idea and years later I saw someone else do it as a movie? Did they steal it from me? Of course not! A lot of people have a lot of the same ideas, especially when they're trying to be funny (In the example of the fence joke, the proof that it wasn't stolen is here).

(EDITED: There used to be a different example here, but I'm changing it for a better one) In fact, an incident that is very similar to this Ari thing happened to me, personally, last week.

We did a field piece last year about the "n" word, and Carlos went around and talked to regular people about it. One of the bits we had was a "chart of blackness", with a light skinned black celebrity on one end and a dark skinned black celebrity (Yaphet Kotto) on the other, with a bunch in between.

So last week I'm watching Saturday Night Live and on Weekend Update, they do a bit with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson talking about Barack Obama. And what do they have to demonstrate with? A chart of blackness! It was similar to the one we made.

So what did I do? Did I cry about it to my friends? Did I make a video about it and post it on Perezhilton? No. I laughed it off. SNL did not steal that bit from us. And if they did, well, good luck to them. But I highly doubt it, it's not like it's impossible for two different people to come up with that shit.

This happens all the time. Writers pitch stuff that's been pitched by other writers constantly. That's what happens when you all have access to the same news and information, and are working to say something funny about it. It's not stealing, it's just parrallel thought.

The other big thing in the video is that "his name's not even Carlos"! Yeah, no kidding. Carlos has talked about this many times. It's a stage name given to him by the owner of the Comedy Store. I know it's hard to believe that someone in show business might have a stage name, but it's been known to happen. And Carlos doesn't hide this. In fact, I don't know the guy as Carlos. I know him as Ned. As does everyone who knows him personally. He makes people call him that, cause that's his name. Maybe Pam Anderson should make a youtube video calling out Carmen Electra for not really being an Electra, or maybe it's not a big deal.

So anyway, yeah, of course I'm saying this, Ned is my friend. But I've seen him do standup more than I've seen anyone else in the world. And he has a reputation for something other than this bullshit, he has a rep for going on stage FOREVER. I've seen him drive over to the Improv after a 12 hour working day, I'm exhausted, and he'll just go up and do 2 hours. 2 hours! Do you know how hard that is? It wasn't even a planned thing, he just went up and talked for 2 hours and killed. He does this regularly, and not cause he has to (like Rogan does) but because he loves to. It's who he is. And you're telling me that in that 2 hours (of the multiple hours of comedy he has done), there is one line someone else has done before? Come on, guys.

Okay, that's enough of that. Let's move on to matters of true importance and significance. Things that are vital to this great nation. Things like this:






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Leslie said...

Why are you ignoring the other stuff on the video, like the comedian who starts to "tattle" on Ned, only to stop himself when he realizes he's about to cross the "king" by pointing out he has no clothes? You're selecting two very easy-to-knock-down points. Let's see you take on some of the other points Rogan says. By the way, Rogan's a millionaire too. Fear Factor is in syndication. So the argument that Ned is rich and Rogan is not, so he's jealous, seems off.

Karl H. said...

"But he's famous--he MUST be telling the truth." Good boy, Irwin.

Walter said...

I admire your loyalty to your friend, but you gotta know when to cut your losses and look out for number one. Not that you give a shit, but if I were you, I'd stop digging that hole.

Irwin Handleman said...

First, the jealousy thing. Yes, Rogan is a mult-millionaire. But he got his money because of a crappy reality show, not because of comedy. And this KILLS HIM. He can't stand that the majority of this country doesn't even know he does stand up. He wants to be known as a comedian so desperately and he can't believe that Carlos is.

I saw carlos in reno in May and he did an hour and a half. a couple months later I saw him at the universal amphitheater and he did an hour and a half of NEW MATERIAL - none of which anyone claims is "stolen". meanwhile Joe hasn't written a new joke since 1995, I guess there's only so many different ways he can call women cunts.

And the Bobby Lee thing is just, that's bobby lee. that's how he jokes. If you say "Bobby Lee, are you gay?" He will take out his penis and try to touch you with it. If you say "bobby, does carlos steal jokes?" He'll say "ned holness, he stole a bit about how my parents eat dogs". That's a joke. I've gotten calls from other standups, some of whom aren't fans of Carlos, but all of them said "that wasn't right what joe did to bobby lee". Of ocurse it looked like something different, but I see Bobby lee almost everyday and he's insane, but trust me, everyone who knows him knows what that was. and he'll be on our show this year because Carlos knows that (as for the other comedians at the store that night, those are Rogan's guys. They open for him, he pays them, and they hang there almost every night. and if someone disagreed with rogan that night, do you think he would've included it on his director's cut?).

But whatever, believe what you want, just consider the source and the motivation.

Oh, and Walter? stop smoking weed.

Anonymous said...

Here's a better shot of Brit...

http://browndailysqueal.com/archives/pyle01.jpg

Anonymous said...

Rogan never made a living with comedy? Aren't you forgetting Newsradio, one of the best comedies of all time? Seems a little convenient on your part.

Nick said...

Parallel thought only counts when one comedian comes up with the joke independent of the second comedian. In this SPECIFIC case, Carlos saw Ari do the joke and then Carlos started telling the joke. That's not parallel thought. If Carlos has PROOF that he was telling the joke BEFORE he saw Ari do it, then YES, it would be parallel thought.

Like it or not, the onus is now on Carlos Mencia to offer up proof on that specific joke. Ignoring it IS an omission of guilt in my books.

Nick.

Anonymous said...

I didn't know half Honduran and half German equalled Mexican hahah.

For mine, it seems Rogan has successfully meshed a comedic career with television, fighting, radio and whatever else he gets up to without having to compromise doing the thing he loves best which he says is comedy.

There's a difference between parallel thought and just changing the words. In regards to that Shaffir bit, it was virtually word for word, gesture for gesture. I accept that people can get close to outright imitating one and other but there are times when it's too close for comfort.

Aside from that though, Rogan's little movie is hardly the first time a question mark has been put over the legitimacy of Mencia's work.

However, without knowing anyone involved and without any right to talk on the issue I can see how Rogan's strong-headedness may have blown it out of context. Although if you get called out on stage...you have every right to react in the way you see fit.

Anonymous said...

My two fav parts are where Carlos tries to tell Ari that a Jew couldn't have come up with the fence joke and where he says the reason Joe is calling him on his thieving is because he's got a crush on him.

What a racist homophobe.

Irwin Handleman said...

I like how it's parallel thought if Carlos PROVES he did it before Ari...why isn't Ari "the thief" then? And how come when George Lopez did the SAME joke on comic relief on HBO a couple months ago, he's not a thief?

Newsradio? Are you kidding? America does not know Joe Rogan as a standup, period. It drives him crazy.

Anonymous said...

God, no woender the show is so bad with writers like this. I don't think ANYONE in the entire world is jealous of Mind of Mencia. And that includes the homeless and people starving to death or dying of aids. I mean, if you have to go that far to discredit Rogan, just give up.

Allison said...

I have never read your site before (i got the link from pamie.com) but I have to say, after watching the thing on youtube, I have to respect carlos, because (with the exception of the juvenile "you must be in love with me" thing) I feel that he carried himself with a fair amount of class throughout the whole thing)

Anonymous said...

The reason Mencia can do two + hours is that an hour and a half of it is STOLEN.

Parallel thought is one thing, but entire chunks and premises is another. He steals from young comics, people who are not in a place to challenge him. The longer he does onstage, the more material he's stolen.

Watching a two hour show from Mencia is like watching a bank robbery. Next time you see your "friend Ned" go that long, call the police.

Anonymous said...

I saw Joe Rogan's comedy act once, and he was unexpectedly hilarious. I can't stay on Mind of Mencia for more than 30 seconds. It's cringe-worthy. I can't believe this guy is bragging about being a writer for that piece of cr*p show.

Anonymous said...

Your attacks on Rogan make you look just as childish as you accuse him of being.
Rogan isn't good enough to close?
What? Have you ever SEEN Rogan perform? I've seen him close numerous times and DESTROY. Joe is a top-notch stand-up comic.
Jealous of Ned, er, I mean, Carlos? I don't think so. Joe has tons of fans that frequent his website and see his shows.
So, Rogan's reality show airs on his blog. I think that's great. He has complete creative control and it's always funny and interesting to watch. He obviously does that because it's entertaining for him and his fans like it. I don't recall Joe ever expressing a desire to have it on TV. Your caddy little comment about "he's big time" just goes to show how petty YOU are.

You are probably bitter because even though you're a working writer it's on a BAD show. You're probably a smart guy and you constantly have to dumb down your material for Mencia's audience. I guarantee not one Carlos Mencia fan would get your Leni Reifenstahl reference. Actually, a couple might just laugh because Reifenstahl sounds kinda funny. We all know how Menica fans love their funny sounds (Dee-da-dee!). Mind of Mencia is Chapelle's show for morons. Lucky for Carlos (and you) America is full of them. Therefore, doing a show that thinks it's "edgy" and "telling like it is" while just perpetuating tired stereotypes is a hit.

You also talk about Carlos doing 2 hours of unplanned material. I've seen him do this (at the expense of numerous young/or lesser known comics that were actually booked for that night) and what he says is 2 hours plus of crap. Total crap. Race jokes that have been done do death. Political jokes for people that don't follow politics. Retard noises. All the while telling people how "brave and edgy he is". LAME! I saw him do this at The Hollywood Improv during what was suppose to be Marc Maron's show and he went so long that Maron walked. You also say, "he does this not because he has do (like Rogan does) but because he loves to". That just sounds so stupid. ROGAN'S RICH!! He doesn't have to do shit. If you would take the time to watch Rogan or read one of his blogs you'd know that that guy LOVES stand-up comedy. Loves it. It's Rogan's love of stand-up comedy that made him call out Mencia on stage. It's also the same love that got him banned from the Comedy Store and looking for a new agent.

Joe Rogan has something your friend Ned will never, ever have - integrity. (go ahead and insert a lame Fear Factor joke here)

John Eje Thelin said...

I can't make up my mind about what would be most sad; that you actually believe what you've written above or that you would sell your soul to work on a show as crapulent as MoM.

Rogan loves comedy and hates stealers (witness his beautiful takedown of Dane Cook on Opie and Anthony a few months ago). He could be the crappiest comedian in the world and still have my deepest respect for that.

And, honestly, the real beauty of Rogan's tape is hearing Ned's fantastically lame and prejudiced attempts at comebacks. Their tone and substance vindicate Joe Rogan over and over and over.

If you're going to to defend that, you'll really have to try harder.

Billy said...

The argument ends here: Rogan admitted Carlos (Ned) was a great performer. Do you really care if he plays off being Mexican when he's Honduran? He's half German? So what, people with a mixed ethnic background are not as good as people who are 100%. That to me was just as racist of a statement as Carlos' comment regarding Ari's ethnicity. People pay to see comedians perform. They are entertainers. When you see a band do a cover of a song, or listen to a remix, do you say oh that artist stole someone else's work? Sean Combs' career is based off the work of other artists, he simply adds his own style to it, so why can't the same happen in comedy. Unless you are stealing material verbatim, the plagiarism argument will not stand in a court of law. I think the best part is that the comedians that are labeled thieves like Williams, Leary, and Mencia are also three of the most successful. Maybe Rogan, Bob Barris, Ari, and Jeff Ingelham are indeed telling the truth as they see it, but do you think anyone who was at club that night really came to see those guys? Probably not, they probably saw Mencia was headlining and that's what drew them in, though I don't have proof. Then again as we just found out, you might not always need proof.


NewsRadio:
Rogan was on News radio. So was Andy Dick. Let's be honest, Phil Hartman made that show, once he was gone it wasn't the same, so I don't really think the whole Rogan was on NewsRadio angle helps him in any way.

Anonymous said...

Has Carlos ever allegedly stolen from Joe? Joe Rogan looks like a moron in this situation. If he respects comedy so much, why would he even allow that to happen on stage? The guy seems like a really insecure little kid. It's clear that he has been waiting for this opportunity for a long time.

I watched Newsradio. I had no idea he was on it. I didn't even know he was a comedian. I just thought he was that annoying and creepy host of fear factor. No wonder he is so angry.

Anonymous said...

I think everyone is missing what is important. That Joe Rogan is wearing the "college" t shirt. What the hell? Is he 20?

Anonymous said...

Some posters are getting too caught up in the fact that Joe Rogan is the accusor dujour.

Ask ANY Latino comic, they'll tell you Mencia is a theif. This is finally getting mainstream attention because Rogan is famous, but non-famous comedians have been saying it for years.

Comedy and music are not alike. You don't "cover" a joke like you cover a song. Once you hear a joke, it's over for you. The tenth time you hear a joke, you don't get nostalgic, you are bored and you think the comic is lazy. When Mencia steals your joke, you can't use it anymore. And jokes are all a comedian has.

Mencia is truly a vile, awful theif. Ask real comedians. Especially Latino comedians. They'll tell you.

Anonymous said...

The Mencia staff writers... when Carlos came to you with an idea he "thought" of, and asked you to punch up...

Every time you did that, you helped him steal someone's act.

Not your fault, you obviously didn't know. But now you do. There's no excuse for what happens next season.

When Carlos sits down with you at a writer's meeting and says, "you know what I was thinking..." you should translate that to "you know what I saw some guy saying onstage..."

Irwin Handleman said...

You know, after hearing all the comments from the Rogan fans, I've realized they're right - I'm selling my soul. So I'm gonna quit my job and wait for a show that is respectable to them. I just pray that a network has something in development where contestants have to eat elephant's testicles.

(i'll be sure to ask all those latino comedians about Carlos stealing when they're hanging out at our show every week, they seem real upset about it)

Anonymous said...

Ask the Latino comics what they think when they're off set sometime. Do you think people are just making this shit up? Of course they don't complain when they're on the set.

Anonymous said...

Also, many of the comics he's stolen from don't live in LA. Dallas, Houston and Austin comics aren't going to be on your set.

I understand having to protect your job, and stick up for Mencia's weak talent - Comedy Central gave him a show and you a job, what can you do? But many people in the comedy community are disgusted by Mencia, and the comedy community extends way beyond Rogan and the desperate hangers-on at Mencia's set.

This isn't professional jealousy. No comic was resentful of Chappelle's success- he's original and funny. And NOT a thief. Nobody's trying to take down Silverman... comedians who don't steal have the respect of their peers.

Anonymous said...

"You know, after hearing all the comments from the Rogan fans, I've realized they're right - I'm selling my soul. So I'm gonna quit my job and wait for a show that is respectable to them. I just pray that a network has something in development where contestants have to eat elephant's testicles."

You know, I'm not even a Rogan fan... I came to this site through a comedy message board I read.

The problem isn't that you write for a really shitty show, lots of writers have to do that. The problem is that you're so proud of it and discredit Rogan to do it. I mean, use your brain, if Rogan has a shitty career, where does that leave you? Or Mencia for that matter?

Anonymous said...

I used to not even care about this since I don't watch much TV and Mencia is so bad, but after Bobby Lee made that defense of Mencia video where he looked like he was a hostage I have become interested at how far the Menica people would push it. This guys blog is almost as amazingly funny and forced as the video. These people who work for Mencia must have NO other job options if they have to kiss his ass like this.

Anonymous said...

Man, every time Irwin tries to defend "Ned," he looks more pathetic.

You can't defend a thief. End of story. Trying to turn the tables on people sticking up for real, original comedy isn't working.

Anonymous said...

To quote Greg Giraldo:

" I’m not actually up to the day to day thievery that Mencia is accused of but I like Joe Rogan a lot and I’m sure that he’s right and it’s nice to see him take a stand on this shit. I don’t like Mencia or dislike him. I don’t know him that well. He’s pleasant enough. I don’t give a shit about him, to tell you the truth. I can’t stand his stand up…Expect for the stuff that he stole. That I do like.”

Anonymous said...

Wow this guy is getting owned so bad by the comments in his own blog that he feels the need to respond. Not just respond, but respond with childish shit like "Joe did a show that involved eating elephant testicles!" And this dumbass is a writer? Oh yeah, he writes for the guy who has 3 days to come up with a response and the best Ned can manage is "I think rogan is gay."

You are right though Irwin, this is some "Junior high bullshit", but only because you and Ned are too fucking stupid to take it anywhere else.

Anonymous said...

Yeah so I don't really know much about Joe Rogan or Carolos Mencia, but as a regular reader of this blog (which I suspect many of the commenters are not) I just have to say:

1) Irwin is an excellent writer and very funny.

2) Go away Joe Rogan fans...and seriously Britney shaved her head this weekend. Is this really what we should be arguing about?

Anonymous said...

Nobody gives a rats ass about that JOE WHO ?? Look what he did to The Man Show , that shit wrote itself , didn't stop him fucking it up.

THEN He calls Mencia a hack , at least Carlos has done something in the last 5 years apart from get stoned all day long and make peeps eat dogs cocks.

Anonymous said...


(i'll be sure to ask all those latino comedians about Carlos stealing when they're hanging out at our show every week, they seem real upset about it)


Right, because I'm sure it would be so easy for them to call him out. Look what happened to Rogan. He got banned from the comedy store (because Ned feels threatened by him, AFTER he up on stage and dares Joe to say to shit to his face. I mean really, what did he think, Joe was going to come up and give him a doily and a piece of cake?) AND he loses his agent. Because Ned went to the trouble of PERSONALLY calling up his agent and telling him to either make Rogan apologize, or drop him as a client. Or else Ned would take his business else where.

Now you tell me how that kind of black balling would effect a young struggling comic, who makes his living off his craft. You think it would be easy for him to deal with that stuff, being banned the big venue in his area? Think other people would be as willing to take him on as an agent or book him if they know they're pissing off Ned when they do it? And if that young comic isn't making money yet, won't he have a much harder time finding a new agent and getting new venues, then someone like Rogan who already has a name and some money?

If it's all so retarded and no big deal to Ned, then why is he doing all this? trying to supress the video, getting Rogan banned from the comedy store, making his agent drop him? I mean if it were no big deal, Nedlos would just shake it off, right? Cause he's such an easy going and nice guy?

Anonymous said...

Hey Irwin Handleman, does Carlos Mencia actually let you write Hispanic jokes for his show, or does he think that being a Jew makes you incapable of that sort of comedy?

Anonymous said...

nice try faggot, trying to save your job. mencia is a fake beaner and a theif. he makes a living doing jokes about poeple he isnt even one of. it would be like me painting myself black and doing chris rock's bits. its not just joe who thinks mencia is a thief. its a whole hell of a lot of comedians. when a comedian get stolen from by a more succesddful guy its always "jealousy". fucking prick, your boss is a disgusting thief.

Anonymous said...

Thank god that I'm not insane. I was so sure that I'd heard George Lopez and other Latino comedians accuse Mencia in the past of being a thief, and knew that this wasn't a new accusation.
You Mencia guys have got to be fucking kidding. I've watched Mencia before, and some of the sketches made me chuckle, but him standing there screaming "DEE DEE DEE!" doesn't make him funny no matter how much he thinks it does.
Seriously, just stop saying "lol, elephant cocks! joe rogan is a piece of shit" and thinking that voids the accusation that Mencia is a theif.

Anonymous said...

"Hey Irwin Handleman, does Carlos Mencia actually let you write Hispanic jokes for his show, or does he think that being a Jew makes you incapable of that sort of comedy?"
haha, nice anonymous.

Anonymous said...

"Hey Irwin Handleman, does Carlos Mencia actually let you write Hispanic jokes for his show, or does he think that being a Jew makes you incapable of that sort of comedy?"

Haha, good question.

twistedcherry said...

I'm clearly not going to change your mind, just as there's not a chance that by reading your blog entry, I am now on Team Ned Carlos Holness Mencia.

But I do think that all the shots you've taken at Joe in reference to his varied career are unnecessary. Yes, he hosted a show where people ate disgusting things...so what? It was a ratings hit for NBC and lasted six seasons. It was a fun show, period.

You also point out his involvement with the UFC as if he were commentating and hosting for a checkers tournament. Perhaps you don't realize that MMA is blowing up.

And finally, to your point about his reality show being seen on his website. You assume he's not "big" enough to have it seen elsewhere I suppose? Maybe the show will be seen on cable soon enough. Maybe he's not even trying for it, as he wants complete creative control. Maybe he's afraid your "friend Ned" will have portions of it copyrighted and then pass off the work as his own? I'm not sure which, if any of these are true. But I'm darn sure that none of his reasons involve him not being marketable or "known" enough to make it happen.

The bottom line is that Joe's an original. It seems to me that he lives a life few get to--he gets to have his cake and eat it too. And he does it with integrity, which is all too rare these days.

Travis of the Cosmos said...

you are the dumbest cunt ever. nice blog, asshole.

Anonymous said...

HAHAHAH, THis guy Irwin is getting his ass kicked in his own thread. I just stumbled into this, but listen MR Irwin.

You can try all you want to discredit Joe, but you my friend, are in the minority. Sure the video was editied. But no editing in the world, could make those words come out of Bobby Lee's mouth. And George Lopez who is more famous than Carlos' admitting he stole 13 minutes of material. Come on.

If there was no video of this, you might have done ok in this argument. But that video is just too damaging, and there is nothing you can do or say, to change public opinion, or just facts.

At the end of the night, outside of the club, Carlo's looked defeated. He looked kind of sad actually. He knew he was screwed. And this video will live on forever, and the more Carlos tries to get it removed from Youtube, and all the other crap he's doing, the more guilty he looks. And you sir, are just as sad trying to defend the guilty.

Warrick said...

If carlos is innocent why is he banned from the Mikey Radio show for using stolen material?
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Carlos_Mencia_banned_from_the_Mikey_Radio_Show_Caught_using_a_stolen_bit#c5302636

Anonymous said...

I am not sure how you could have edited that video so that it didn't make Carlos look bad.

There are three arguments that I have heard from the Mencia camp. These are:

1. Joe Rogan is obsessed with Carlos Mencia because he wants to have sex with him. (this is coming from Carlos Mencia himself)

2. Joe Rogan is jealous of Carlos' success and wants to bring him down. (This is also from Carlos)

3. Stealing jokes isn't necessarily bad as long as you make them better. (This from Mencia fans)

The first two arguments are obviously speculative, and pretty far fetched. Especially because Joe would never fuck a joke thief.

The third argument is the only one that holds any water. If your system of ethics is such that you believe jokes are "open source" so to speak and that its OK to take other comedians material without their permission then according to your paradigm Joe Rogan doesn't have a leg to stand on. And if you really do believe that then according to my paradigm you are an idiot.

Regardless I think this virulent debate is healthy and in the long run will be good for Comedy as a whole.

I also find it wonderfully ironic that a writer for the Mencia show, can't write a succesful defense of the subject of said show. Thats fucking hillarious. Maybe you should write a sketch about it.

Irwin Handleman said...

Maybe Joe should spend as much time on his comedy as he does on calling out all the "thieves". I know it seems like there's a lot of you out there, but the fact is that Joe cannot sell out anything more than a local Chuckle Hut. Ask him about his big Budweiser/Maxim tour sometime.

Notice how none of the comedians he's "called" out has never stolen anything from him. He's not funny enough to be stolen from, even by Dane Cook!

Another question: How come when Dr. Phil helps someone come out of the closet he's lauded as a hero, but when Carlos does it he's homophobic? Look at the facts:

-Joe spends countless hours each day working on his abs

-his act consists entirely of hating on women

-he's obsessed with Carlos and has been stalking him for 2 years

-has been known to dabble in whale cock

-his favorite hobby is to get oiled up and roll around half-naked with other men

Owned! Oh wait, I just stole that expression. I'm a thief! I humbly apologize to all you 24 year old virgins out there, you can now go back to playing Worlds of Warcraft.

Anonymous said...

Actually its world of warcraft. I'm surprise people who defend Carlos Mencia aren't more familiar with fantasy universes.

Anonymous said...

Terribly weak response. I too have written on tv shows that starred awful talent, so I have empathy for your situation, but now we're all 24 year old virgins?

Your boss is a hack and a thief. Everyone in the standup world knows it. You aren't a comic, you're a writer. Too bad you are stuck defending this piece of shit. It makes you look almost as bad as Mencia.

You should delete your original post, and this thread, and ask Pamie to delete the link to it. It makes you look unprofessional.

Anonymous said...

Well I just watched about 3 youtube videos which chronicle the whole Mencia-Rogan saga, and I listened to some MP3 files of the smacktalk between the two of them, so I'm going to post my opinion on it. Flame if you want, I don't care, I'm just an anonymous internet nobody.

I understand Rogan's plight in this whole mess. I work in entertainment, and it's probably one of the most infuriating things to have your work parroted or outright stolen by someone, and then see that person get much larger "gigs" than you.

That being said, I think this was just a bit too confrontational on Rogan's part. Maybe Bobby Lee isn't confrontational, but Bobby Lee also has a comedy gig on one of the most watched late night skit shows on TV. Sometimes diplomacy is the better part of valor. From the comments I've seen on different places, many people agree with Rogan, but I've seen just as many comments disagree with Rogan. It's not one sided at all in terms of public opinion. The fact is, this won't affect Carlos (or Ned if you prefer) as much as the pro-rogan crowd thinks, and in Rogan's haste to fight the "good fight", he's pretty much hampered his career in comedy (losing his agent, being banned from a popular club). Was it worth it? Perhaps Rogan is contemplating that exact thing right now at the moment.

I'm still undecided about Mencia being an outright "joke" thief. Ari Shaffir claims that the "fence" joke was stolen from him by Mencia. That's utter BS. That joke has been around since the late 80s when the discussion of the "wall of shame" was brought up during the presidency of Reagan, and leaked over into the early 90s with the administration of George H.W Bush. I've been talking about that joke since the early 90s, most Mexicans will tell you that it's not something new and Shaffir is certainly not the first to bring it up as a social issue to be discussed, humor based or not.

Speaking of people who have hampered their careers, I think "The Amazing Racist" is about as tasteless as comedy gets with regards to race. Sure Shaffir has a point hidden in his "amazingly" offensive skits, but I think the point is lost because of the way it's presented. It seems all too real, and doesn't come off as using humor to make political commentary like Chapelle, and Mencia have done, it just seems mean spirited. The controversy over Ari being in an IBM Commercial last year should be proof enough of how well "The Amazing Racist" really comes off to minorities.

With that in mind, I think there is something to be said about the delivery of a joke. Anyone can say the same joke, but usually it's the delivery (and presentation) that gets that joke across in a way people can accomodate. Carlos is just a talented person when it comes to that and that's why he has his own show, has been on HBO numerous times, and was featured on the Super Bowl Commercial A-List this year. A lot of his jokes are commentary on social issues that are plaguing society today (racial inequality, educational standards, decline of the nuclear family), and I just don't see how that material can be "stolen", it's something that is in our faces as American citizens everyday. He's just taking those issues and presenting them in a way where we can laugh and put light on the issue, because sometimes we can't take the morbidity of life in the same context every day, it's just too depressing.

I also find it really short sighted that many Rogan fans have pointed out that Carlos Mencia is "not really Mexican". First off, that's completely false. His dad is Roberto Holness and was Honduran. His mother is Magdelena Mencia and is 100% full blooded Mexican. People should do their own research instead of parroting what they read from rabid forum trolls or their friends (sometimes one in the same). Also, even if Mencia wasn't Mexican (which he is at least partially), I don't see how exactly that changes anything with regards to his material. Mencia was raised in East LA, growing up in that area would probably qualify you for at least an M.A in the topic of Mexican-Americans in America even if you were white. The point being, Mencia is qualified to talk about cultural issues with regards to "beaners", certainly more than Ari Shaffir who is a Jew.

In the end though, Mencia is successful as a comedian, and I for one applaud his rise to success. I think Rogan is fairly successful too (I see him every UFC PPV). It's just very sad that this issue was solved the way it was. There was a better way to handle this situation that would've made both sides happy, but instead we have this ugly mess before us. I think in life, the deeds people do in their lives will speak for themselves, and that is certainly the case here.

I look forward to your replies my friends.

Anonymous said...

"The point being, Mencia is qualified to talk about cultural issues with regards to "beaners", certainly more than Ari Shaffir who is a Jew."

Huh?

I call bullshit on this one. Ned is Honduran/German... not Mexican. And don't give me that "close enough" crap.. freakin utah is closer to Mexico.

Thing is, Joe is the only one who has the ability to stand up to Ned and his bullying. He has nothing to lose, unlike all the struggling comediens out there who can't afford to lose their agent or get banned from clubs.
Fuck that fat beaner/tard wannabe.

Anonymous said...

Wow. First of all, I'm speaking from pure objectivity. Mind of Mencia is full of shit. Maybe its a good thing all those 40 year old housewives out there can sit down and laugh at black jokes now. But the show itself is nothing but a black hole of the most rote, repetitive, and unoriginal shit I've ever heard. And this is BEFORE the whole Joe Rogan thing went down.

Joe Rogan is alright, he's a little far out there and his target audience isn't exactly the same as Mencia's.

But MENCIA is a total fucking douche. I mean, c'mon, who was sitting around in fourth grade and didn't make those retarded noises? And now all of a sudden its his calling card? What ever happened to dropping some freshness? But now, apparently the only thing to come out of the MENCIA camp is the same recycled bullshit that they are more than happy to shove into people's faces.

Here I'll make it perfectly blunt.

Mencia is done. His shit is full of holes and everyone knows it. The only people who watch his show microwave their dinners at night before they climb in bed to fuck the massive pile of stinking flesh they married right before getting into that career in janitorial services that has really put them on the map.

You find me one reasonably intelligent person who finds Mencia to be an 'amazing comic'. Compared to other talent out there, Mencia is a fat fuck swimming in a sea sharks, and somebody just pricked his finger. I'm just going to enjoy the feeding frenzy that follows.

For those of us who actually must take ACCOUNTABILITY into our work, and have values and respect for those who came before us, Carlos is the perfect example of what is wrong with America.

BTW I'm currently studying Engineering, and seeing as NED couldn't hack that, I laugh at his pathetic attempts at comedy. I hope playing jester for a crowd of fools really gives him that deep down satisfaction of true artistic expression.

No originality. No uniqueness. No vision.

Enjoy your paycheck, I hope it keeps you warm at night.

Anonymous said...

"Look at the facts:

-Joe spends countless hours each day working on his abs
-whereas Carlos is fat and sloppy

-his act consists entirely of hating on women
-it does? But no matter, Carlos's act consists entirely of played out race jokes and stolen stuff

-he's obsessed with Carlos and has been stalking him for 2 years
-I guess someone should call the police and tell them to stop stalking all the bank robbers out there

-has been known to dabble in whale cock
-you were watching? Oh yeah, you mean the show that made him millions

-his favorite hobby is to get oiled up and roll around half-naked with other men
-I suppose you think football players are gay too? So guys that are in shape and play contact sports instead of pigging out on dorritos all day are gay? Nice to know what defines a straight male is the ability to be fat and weak.

By your logic you might as well argue that Carlos is just jealous of joe cause joe is in better shape and 1/2 whiter then he is. Is that all you have? Well.....joe's in good shape and he wrestles. I'm pretty sure that's why he said Mencia stole all that stuff. DEE DEE DEE!

Anonymous said...

Well, I've never seen Rogan, so I can't tell you if he's funny. I can't say for sure if Mencia stole jokes either.

There's one thing I can say though... Mencia and his show are painfully bad. Really, really bad. In time he will be booed off the planet, that's a fact.

Anonymous said...

Carlos is Mexican and you can call BS on that all you want, you're still the unknown loser slobbing Joe Rogan's cock.

Trust me, JOE ROGAN IS ONLY KICKING HIMSELF IN THE HEAD. No agent, banned from a popular comedy club, talk about getting his ass handed to him.

I think Daniel Negreanu said it best:

" Having said that, I think this Joe Rogan guy has zero comedic talent whatsoever."

LMAO, yes Rogan is really popular with his home taped reality show that NO NETWORK WILL EVER SHOW. Eat that Rogan cock slobbers.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry your friend is a thieving, fake mexican, hack "comic." The fact that you're only defending him because he's your friend should speak volumes about why no one else has Ned's back. People who are otherwise neutral on the subject clearly see through Ned's bullshit - he's a thief and its obvious.

Beaners do this... white people do that...

What a fucking retard.


Joe Rogan on the other hand is not only a good/honest person, he's also an original, respected, and hilarious comedian.

Anonymous said...

"BTW I'm currently studying Engineering"

Which means you are a poor fuck who has 1/1,000,000,000 the money Carlos has, OWNED!

Anonymous said...

"Joe Rogan on the other hand is not only a good/honest person, he's also an original, respected, and hilarious comedian."

Respected by who? Have you seen the people who visit Rogan's website? Full of absolute porno obsessed losers who spend 20 hours a day trying to get some of Joe Rogan's pubes.

If he's so talented, why is he getting dropped on his head by his agent because CARLOS said so. Why can't he get a comedy show on the air??

That's what you called owned.

Anonymous said...

By the way, for the few imbeciles talking shit about Rogan as a comedian....




"For the record, I believe that Joe is a phenomenal talent."
- Ned Holness (aka Carlos Mencia)

Even Ned's fake ass acknowledges Rogan's talent.

Anonymous said...

I watched News Radio and was Rogan even on that show? I'm serious I don't remember that balding loser on that show. I do remember Andy Dick and Phil Hartman, now those two guys are comedy legends.

Who the fuck is Joe Rogaine? LMAO

Anonymous said...

Joe Rogaine's claim to fame:

1. Making people eat bull balls

2. Sucking Chuck Liddell's dick

Facts.

Anonymous said...

Here's a video that describes Joe Rogaine's fans:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bORzPXE2QnE

DEE DEE DEE...

Anonymous said...

Okay this has gotten to be too much. Everyone is a thief to Joe Rogan.

Robin Williams is a thief
Dennis Leary is a thief
Carlos Mencia is a thief

Why do we even care about this balding loser? He should stick to commentating about REAL fighters unlike himself

Anonymous said...

you're a writer? Someone puts out a video calling Ned a thief and the best and seems only defence coming from himself and his employees are "Joe Rogan is gay" wtf are you 10 fucking years old? People aren't going nuts because his real name is ned holness it's that he's half german/honduras and he made a CAREER out of pretending to be mexican. People aren't going nuts over the 1 superfence joke they are reacting to many comedians that say this guy steals jokes including stealing jokes off a fucking Richard Pryor CD (RIP). He pathelogical lies, he dared to fucking say George Lopez doesn't want any hispanic comedian to make it (i guess that wasn't him on Latin kings of comedy) when he was kidding on the Howard Stern show. If the best response you can come up with is "joe rogan is gay" then do the world a favor and kill yourself because you are depriment to writers everywere and the human race.

BTW i'm not a Joe fan i seen him before and he's made me laugh but not someone i would go out of my way to see but i am a comedy fan and holness is a cancer on the comedy world.

Anonymous said...

Something else Ned stole..

Radio Interview

Listen to the DJ after he hangs up from Ned, as he bans him from the radio show for being a theif. Everytime this asshole talks he fucks himself.

Anonymous said...

You're bragging about being a writer for Mind of Mencia. Are you retarded? That's officially one of the worst T.V. shows of all time. It's obviously just a lame Chappeles Show rip off. Whatever. Fuck you and fuck Ned.

Anonymous said...

Here are most of the boards I've looked at.

IMDB
Opie and Anthony
Youtube
Myspace pages Carlo's / Rogan
Best week ever archive

And a bunch of countless comedy boards on google.

Now out of all of the boards ( except Myspace ofcourse, this argument has been heavily favorved to Rogan. Just check it out yourself. Even Wiki is siding with Joe.

As far as the comedians (Big names) I've heard Jim Breuer say that "Everyone knows Carlo's steal" And he basically called Rogan GOD. THen ofcourse there was Giraldo.

These are all the big websites, and I'd say 90% of all the people are siding with Joe, or atleast against Carlo's, even if you don't like Joe. Even on Carlo's acts on Youtube, people have hijacked them with hate. THis vdeo as opened up a flood of Carlos haters that never exsisted untill now.

He still has some supporters on his Myspace page. There best defense is "WHo cares if you steal? Everyone stealss!!!!

LOL, That's the best they can come up with. But there are others on his myspace, who are very dissapointed in him. Even if he didn't steal in their eyes, he really didn't put up a good fight with Rogan at all.

Will this hurt Carlos carrer on COmedy Central? Probably not. But in Public eye, he already lost.

Check any website, he is losing more and more respect as the day goes by.

I will post all the links here if you make me, but stop acting like this is an even fight,.

Carlos lost.

Anonymous said...

Joe Rogaine...

1. Lost his agent lol, dumb fucking cunt ruining his own career

2. Joe Rogaine got BANNED from a popular comedy club

Yeah, Rogaine is really winning hahaha

Who gives a shit what internet losers like you fags have to say? You guys are poor and don't pay Rogaine's checks lmao!!!

Anonymous said...

First off, I have always hated Joe Rogan. He reminds me of an obnoxious, overgrown frat boy. However, his personality defecits don't change the fact that he has a very valid point. Jealousy could be an issue, but if what he's saying about Mencia is true, then it's also a valid feeling. He very well could be jealous of Mencia's success for the simple fact that if he truly believes that Mencia is a material thief, then how maddening would that be for someone who's been trying to break out as a comedic talent? Many in the comedy community may know of Joe, but let's face it, outside of the insiders and big cities, most only know him as that guy from Fear Factor. How frustrating would it be to labor for years to get to truly well-known comedic status, only to be upstaged by a guy with a terrible show who steals material? Claim editing all you went, Mencia's reactions in the video were very telling. He really had no comebacks other than to personally attack Rogan. Rogan acted childish at times too, but I believe he truly has a point. This is especially apparent when you watch the confrontation at the very end of the video (the part that seems to have been filmed with a different camera) where he asks Carlos/Ned if he knows he steals. He had a legitimate question and concern. Some people aren't aware or are in denial of a behavior until someone calls them on it, and Carlos seems to be guilty of the latter.

By the way, Mind of Mencia really sucks, and I remember being surprised that Pamie was one of its writers, and am very surprised of her blanket agreement with/defense of Carlos on her page. I suppose when you work closely with someone every day and something like this comes to light, it's almost impossible not to defend them, but still. I know Pamie is smarter than this.

Anonymous said...

"1. Lost his agent lol, dumb fucking cunt ruining his own career"

Joe is a multi-millionare, and has two agents, the agent left joe because Ned Holness uses that angency for everything his standup and telvision show. Joe only uses that agent for his stand up and got dropped only because Ned threaten to leave. Joe's career is far from ruined hate to break it to everyone but he has been on TV far longer then Ned "the hack" Holness.


"2. Joe Rogaine got BANNED from a popular comedy club"

Then another popular comedy club bent over backwards to make room for him and give him many spots.

"Yeah, Rogaine is really winning hahaha

Who gives a shit what internet losers like you fags have to say? You guys are poor and don't pay Rogaine's checks lmao!!!"

Yes he is winning in the people's eye which is all that matters. Rogan is a multi millionare so i'm pretty sure he won't be starving anytime soon. These internet losers used to be fans of ned but now that this is out they are not. The person that does care is Ned and his writers like this dumbass that wrote this crap.

The Rogaine comments are so witty and original but based on Irwin Handleman you probably could be a writer for Mind of Mencia just one rung on the ladder below the monkey writers

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the page Joe Rogaine. Nice to see you posting under "anonymous" fuckin pussy. lol

Anonymous said...

I don't like either Mencia or Rogaine (lol that's classic) but to be honest I just want to see one of those UFC guys just cold cock Rogaine on the side of the head and see him laid out and going into convultions on the ground. Maybe then I might like Rogaine.

Anonymous said...

I found this picture of Joe Rogan after he got bitch slapped for talking shiet

http://myspace-215.vo.llnwd.net/00203/51/24/203634215_l.jpg

I'd love to fight this guy in a UFC ring so I could make him pass out...

Anonymous said...

1. Yeah he got banned, small price to pay for humitiating someone infront of the whole country.

2. He's already rich, and the agent was for stand-up. He makes most of his dough from Tv, so that really doesn't matter.

3. At the end of the day, what really matters is what the people think. Ask any comedian, or anyone else, if you don't have the respect from the people, as a person, or am artist,(if that's your craft) you got nothing.


Just last week, Carlos was a well respected comic only to the blind eye, who didn
t pay attention to what really goes on behind closed doors. THat's the audience Carlos needed.

Now everyone knows about this, and everyone is paying attention, including his fanbase, which is now, decreasing.

These arnt just internet geeks. This also makes up the people who actually go to the comedy clubs, and pay to watch. ... They just happen to also have a computer.

Anonymous said...

nice picture, seen this one??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a556pUcVgO0

Yeah, I'd love to see you try to make him pass out.

Anonymous said...

WHERE'S THE PROOF?

The Rogan crowd's philosophy: He's guilty until proven innocent, eh?

You can't cry wolf, then not prove it. The Mencia haters are telling the world he steals jokes from "smaller" comics.

Let's look at the facts:

FACT #1: No "smaller" comic has cried foul

FACT #2: Nobody has provided evidence of "joke-stealing" (Don't get me started on the fence thing. Even Jay Leno had the same joke.)

FACT #3: Bobby Lee's latest video showed Rogan took his comments out of context

Fact #4: Rogan made the infamous video, proving slants in the video

If you want to brand Mencia with a Scarlet letter, at least prove what you accuse him of doing.

Otherwise, stop being so childish with your faulty accusations.

Anonymous said...

A lot of Rogan honks are saying Mencia sucks.

Sure, that's your opinion. Don't forget, however:

There's humongous part of America who disagrees with you.

And, that's why Comedy Central pays Mencia millions every season.

Rogan? $0.

InSummary said...

Who cares if Ned is popular? That doesnt make him a good comic, or a real comic.


Fucking Britney Spears is popular, that doesnt make her a good singer, or even a real singer.


"Carlos Mencia," like Britney Spears, is for stupid people who dont care they're buying into pure shit wearing a shiney cover.


Btw - as if it matters - Fear Factor is in syndication, and UFC is blowing up. Rogan has plenty of $$$. And even if he didnt, he'd still be an honest, talented, person.

daniel mendoza said...

how can you be so ill informed on joe rogans success and how much money hes made.

ridiculous. you blame it on jealousy.joe rogan has F U Money. he can call out a fat little liar like carlos for sport.

because when carlos steals, most of the time its from someone low on the totem pole. rogan just says what everyone else wants to say about carlos.

but keep putting your head in the sand. as long as those checks from carlos keep coming, that is.

Anonymous said...

Joe Rogaine lol hilarious

But yeah I've been practicing BJJ for 5 years under Claudio Franca and I know for a fact I would tap Joe Rogaine. Joe Rogaine is scared shitless of Wesley Snipes and snipes is a pussy!

Anonymous said...

Gotta agree with insummary except that I would say Ned is more like Larry The Cable Guy where they both have an annoying catch phrase. And as for Ned's fans saying it's OK to steal as long as he makes it better would be like me saying it's OK for someone to fuck your wife as long as they do it better than you do.

As for proof, look to George Lopez talking about Ned stealing minutes of his material. In the end Ned is a fucking thief no matter how you choose to spin it.

Anonymous said...

To the guy who posted that radio clip, that right there is just evem more proof that Joe is right when he says that Ned steals. Everyone who defends Ned should listen to it, the DJ's prove that he is a thief after Ned tells them about the stereotypical olympics he did. After he hangs up they talk about how they heard about that idea 10 months ago and were sent emails about...Ned is a fucking thief that radio clip all you need.

Mike said...

Coming from someone who started off neutral, with a mild distaste for "Carlos" and his one dimensionsal show, after watching and reading and lurking, I've definitely begun to side with Joe on this one.

Now, I don't want to take up too much space debating what's wrong, what's right, who's this, what's that, and what's over there, so I'm just going to knock this little tid-bit off for anybody saying that Joe is getting the butt end of this by being dropped by his agent and banned from the comedy shop.

That is utter fiction.

The fact that "Carlos" is more famous than Joe, which nobody will debate, just means that he has SO much more to lose from this.

Ned supporters cannot actually think that Carlos is making out well in this in any way, shape, or form. This may handicap his career for a long time. This has grown into something that has drawn everyone's attention, and something that nobody's going to forget about tomorrow. The incident has drawn national attention to this "scandal". Now people who didn't even known who Ned was going into this, might have a stigma toward him because of it. For those who knew of him and did not have knowledge of his alleged rip-offs, now may view him differently in a more negative light because of it. All of his jokes, from many people, will be magnified. His many fans may find that they believe the allegations, and therefore he very well may lose a decent amount of fans. Many will stay with "Carlos" , however, being loyal to him or not finding enough truth in the allegations. The main point being, there is a reasonable chance he may lose a good amount of current and potential fans. Now this could all blow over, and "Carlos" may continue winning the majoriy of un-educated America over with the childish sayings and simplified racial "humor", but, it could be the beginning of the downfall of this "comic". That's a lot to lose.

Now as for Rogan, you'd have to agree he had a steady career coming into this feud. A very devoted fanbase, but nowhere near the size of Ned's fanbase. In Rogan's case, because he was not as well known, people who heard of the incident not knowing Joe either approved of his actions and might have become a fan or disapproved and stayed neutral. But he most definitely did not lose any fans due to the incident, as he could only be criticized for how he handled the situation and not the effect the issue at hand had on him. So sure, Joe may be dropped by his agency and lose a place to perform, but with it he gains an entirely new audience, something extremely valuable to a comedian who isn't extremely well know. The fact that most of the people sided with Rogan is just the icing on the cake. This will get people interested in Joe, "Hey I didn't know he did stand-up, I wonder if he's any good." They might say. They go and check it out and find they have even more of a reason to like him. Ultimately, the fiasco very well may give him more fans, more gigs, more fame, and more fortune. There is no substantial reason to claim that Joe would lose fan support due to the incident.

So you tell me, who really gets the raw end of this deal?

Irwin Handleman said...

Joe accuses Carlos of changing his name and stealing jokes, yet Joe lists himself as being 5'8" on his myspace page. Hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

"mike"

I just read this guy's novel, and he's fucking retarded. Another Joe Rogaine fan.

Anonymous said...

" There is no substantial reason to claim that Joe would lose fan support due to the incident."

That's because he has no fans Einstien lol

Most people in America see Rogan as the cheesy fag who does Fear Factor.

Anonymous said...

Mark my words, Joe Rogaine has made way too many enemies in Hollywood and will NEVER ever get a comedy show in his life put on the air.

Mencia, Leary, Robin Williams, Daniel Negreanu, the Comedy Central Execs. I've seen this guy's standup before and believe me, even if I were a Rogaine fan, I just don't find this loud mouth funny. His jokes are all about being silly and cussing a lot, big woop, even a retarded kid can do that. Joe Rogaine is going to be relegated to putting on a web show for the loser porn idiots that troll his board jacking off to his pictures.

he should just kill himself now

Anonymous said...

Funny, the guy who got choked out by Rogan in that video, was saying the same thing , I believe. If you really think you can beat him, challenge him, I'm sure he'll oblige just like he did that kid.

As far as Bobby Lee. The only person he contradidted was himself. Not Joe. You can call Joe names all you want. Hed probably agree with you LOL. I think he's a scumbag. But that doesn't change the fact that Mencia stole jokes, and basically got bitched slapped on national television.

Anonymous said...

National TV?

You mean shown to losers like you on Rogay's messageboard?

Fuck off. Mencia has another season of his show contracted and Rogay just got booted by his own agent and banned from a club.

Who wins? Mencia. lol

Anonymous said...

yeah, losers like me.But you've obviously seen it too, and on your on the internet arguing with me at 1:30 in the morning. So what does that make you?

The You tube links alone have gotten more than 100,000 hits,and that's after it's been taken down many times. not to mentchion, Dailymotion, Break. dom. I guess their all losers too.

Now, check out these links

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=60984&page=11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsq1uTLBHBc


THat's only a couple, I'll post more.

Carlo's is being called out by everyone now, including his own friends that he added on his Myspace page, months ago.

On top of that, he got banned off a radio station for stealing another joke, and well known comedians IE. Brewer, are calling him out.

If you still think Carlos is your hero, be my guest. Have fun with your 3 other supporters. I'm done responding to you. Call me whatever you want.

Goodnight.

Anonymous said...

Funny how all the people coming on here calling Joe Joe Rogaine aren't even bothering to comment on or refute the fact that Ned STEALS FUCKING JOKES! Joe's name could be Joe Assmaster3000 and it wouldn't change the fact that Ned STEALS FUCKING JOKES. Joe could be the reincarnated spirit of Hitler and once again, it would not change the fact that NED STEALS JOKES. It's pretty sad that you have no defense at all against these accusations except calling the person who called him out names. Why would you even support someone you can't defend in any logical way? DER HIM SAY GOOD BEANER JOKES ME HATE ROGAINE. C'mon.

Bandido said...

You Ned lovers keep mentioning Daniel Negreanu, like we should give a shit what that little half a fag has to say about anything. That douchebag is the most annoying fucker on the planet, short of Ned of course.

This country has enough retarded Mexicans without some half kraut pretending to be one.

Goggles Pisano said...

Not to belabor the point Irwin Handleman, but your boss is on record saying that Jews are incapable of writing jokes for Latinos.

So does he make you write in a separate room from the Latin writers, or do you have to hold your work out with your eyes closed to let Ned steal it from you and claim it as his own?

I'm guessing that either you're in charge of the Kosher Division of the Mind of Mencia writing department, or he makes you change your name to Ingnacio Hablamas when to need to give him some Latin bits for the show--that is, the stuff he hasn't already stolen.

P.S.: Tell your boss that Lookin' Goooooooooood has already been used. He shouldn't bother stealing that phrase, okay?

Anonymous said...

If you're a writer, (try leaving the period w/in the parentheses next time, thusly.)

Anonymous said...

"Joe accuses Carlos of changing his name and stealing jokes, yet Joe lists himself as being 5'8" on his myspace page. Hypocrite."

He's 5'7 and a half. Honestly, if he was 4'3 or something, I could see this as a valid point, and not just you grasping at straws to prevent people from seeing how completely full of shit you are.

But I guess that must make me gay for Joe Rogan, right?

Anonymous said...

wow... a writer for a TV show, and here he is discussing back and forward on a BLOG! with a bunch of people he doesn't know...

real mature.
shame. shame. shame.


Mari,
From Venezuela

Anonymous said...

It's pretty simple; Carlos has been stealing material, Joe called him on it, Carlos lied some more, Joe had other comedians who agreed that Carlos is a theif.

Then Carlos name calls like a school kid.

"Whiney bitch"? Is that all he could come up with on his own?

Catherine Avril Morris said...

I only wish...that all the "anonymous"es would have signed their names. Other than that, this thread has been very entertaining.

Jim said...

lol the Joe Rogay crowd still can't refute the point that

1) Mencia's parents are Honduran and Mexican! Do some research people, the half german rumor was started by Rogaine. But can you find actual facts to back this up? NOOOOOOOO!

2) The fence joke wasn't stolen from Ari, fuck I was talking about that joke in 1993 and I'm an actual Mexican

Fuck Joe Rogay, he's been making up lies about joke stealing which are completely untrue and now his league of gay fans are trying to back up a fantasy

Daniel said...

"Whiney bitch"?

Yes that's exactly what Joe Rogaine is, a whiny ass bitch

Now he has no agent and got banned from a comedy club, what is rogay going to do now?

I bet he'll write another blog entry and get black listed by more Hollywood stars who have talent. lol

Bandido said...

Hey Jim
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0578788/bio
fuckin line two
that good enough proof for you? stop relying on wiki for fuck's sake.
Ned is half german.
You really think Holness is a Honduran name? And wienerschnitzel is French, right?

nikki said...

I'm a regular reader of this blog and am not really a fan of all these strangers and their angry posts. You are fighting on behalf of two very famous and wealthy comedians who could give two shits about you. Focus on something else, people. Irwin can post anything he likes on his blog. If you think he's lame, start your own and pinpoint each instance of lameness. But you're hardly coming across as smart or morally right on something as ridiculous as who stole what joke.

Anonymous said...

HA, you beat me to it Ban,... I'll post it anyway

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0578788/

bioCarlos Mencia was born on October 22nd 1967 in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His mother, Magdelena Mencia, is Honduran and his father, Roberto Holness, is German. They immigrated to America when Carlos was under a year old."


Now Jim, IMDB is 90% right about everything it reports, and is one of the most trusted entertainment websites.

If you still don't want to believe, fine, but unless you have any proof countering these claims, which isn't from the Mencia camp, please be quiet.

As much as you say you used that joke since 93, unless you have any proof that that joke has been used before Ari, especially in that context(speaking to Gov. Arnold), Please be quiet.

Anything else you would like me to prove for you??

LOL, kepp trying buddy.

Franklin M.D said...

I agree with Nikki

The two.. I guess Joe Rogan fans.. above seem pretty lame and what I would call star obsessed, on the whole I think we should start a new debate on which fans are lamer; the Mencia or Rogan fans.

I think both of them are retarded people with sub-25 IQs, but maybe they could be lower.

I mean, seriously, arguing about whether someone is Mexican or Honduran or German? You people are the reason this country is falling behind other countries in all areas that matter. I wish we could ship these people to an island and set off a nuclear explosion. Geebus you guys are retarded.

Anonymous said...

Irwin, I read this blog regularly, and while I disagree with you on Mencia, I respect that he's your boss and you feel positively toward him. However, I'm incredibly disappointed that you had to go to "GAY!" to further illustrate your distaste with Rogan. When it comes right down to it, his being gay -- if he even is -- doesn't make one iota of difference as to whether he's right or not, and you should be better than to fall back on homophobia.

Bandido said...

Ooohh.. good one.. sub25 IQ.
Wow, you got me. Almost as good as "you're gay"
What the hell is the point of your post you lame ass tard?
Ned says he's Mexican.. that's the reason we're arguing it. Try to follow along with the rest of us or don't bother posting.
I hate trolls.
Star obsessed? hahah.. go back to reading about britney's shave head, will ya?

Anonymous said...

A reason why you only tried to single out Rogan? Franklin MD.

Your not fooling anyone sir. But nice try.

franklin M.D said...

I didn't even realize Britney shaved her head until you mentioned it.

Thanks for proving my point more eloquently than I could ever have.

franklin M.D said...

From my previous post: "I think we should start a new debate on which fans are lamer; the Mencia or Rogan fans."

Again, who am I singling out?

Oh yes, the retards, which happen to be a part of both camps. You guys keep proving my point over and over again, this is much easier than Med School.

Bandido said...

HAHAHA
I love it
You proved my point assclown. I said you should try to follow along.. But you clearly haven't even read this whole thread, as someone posted about Britney earlier.
Get lost troll.

Anonymous said...

"The two Rogan fans seem pretty lame, and star obsessed"

Hey dude, sure, I'm a little on the slow side, and I get high.

Your supposed to be an MD, and your sitting here debating me while I'm smoking a blunt.

If I'm retarted, join the club retard. Shouldn't you be working??

franklin M.D said...

Working on Holiday?

I'm an M.D, I only have to work 3-4 days a week to keep up my lifestyle.

Good luck with your "blunts" and memory loss.

Franklin M.D said...

"But you clearly haven't even read this whole thread, as someone posted about Britney earlier. "

This post by Bandido makes my day, really it does. I don't think it takes anymore humor than a guy who searches a 100+ comment section for a small reference to Britney Spears and then claims some sort of "victory" because of it. I love it! Proving the retard factor in this section is easier than proving the link between Malaria and the Sickle Cell.

Comedian Charlie Moreno said...

As a latino comedian, YES! CARLOS STEALS.
He's stolen from me when in my first year doing comedy and when I asked the owner about it, he laughed in my face. And I didn't get booked there again for 9 months.

Do you realize it's hard to dispute the fact that he is a thief and a hack when one of his writer's blog is notesfromahack.blogspot.com ???
Get real brother. Stop defending your boss to get a promotion.

Anonymous said...

Your still debating me Franklin, and the only reason I'm still arguing with you, is because if it is true that you are an M.D, I want to show how ridiculous you look sitting on the computer debating a pothead. No matter how intelligant your comebacks are, you look pretty silly.

Now, I think your lying, but I can't prove it. Anyway, go on.

Anonymous said...

Your still debating me Franklin, and the only reason I'm still arguing with you, is because if it is true that you are an M.D, I want to show how ridiculous you look sitting on the computer debating a pothead. No matter how intelligant your comebacks are, you look pretty silly.

Now, I think your lying, but I can't prove it. Anyway, go on.

Bandido said...

Searches??

"You have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie"

Some of us have been following, with great interest, this whole Joe/Ned thing. I have read every post here and have enjoyed this quite immensely. After my post, did you go back and search to see where Britney was mentioned? haha.. you are such a tool.
By the way, anyone can say they're a doc. It's all anon here. And since when do docs get holidays off?? That's hysterical. Truth is you must have school off today, eh?

Franklin M.D said...

"I want to show how ridiculous you look sitting on the computer debating a pothead. No matter how intelligant your comebacks are, you look pretty silly.

Now, I think your lying, but I can't prove it."

Well at least you admit you have a problem, but I still don't understand where you get the idea that we're debating anything. I put forth an opinion that Mencia and Rogan fans are a bunch of imbeciles, which so far seems to be one of the easiest theories to prove since the "Earth is round."

As for silly, I guess it can't look anymore silly than a self-depreciating pothead who will follow a half-assed comedian until Kingdom come.

As for my credentials, I'm pretty sure most people think I'm lying, but it's just the internet. Maybe I'm the pothead, and you're the M.D. (chuckle)

Franklin M.D said...

"Bandido said: Some of us have been following, with great interest, this whole Joe/Ned thing. I have read every post here and have enjoyed this quite immensely."

lol, I almost spit my coffee out. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Kudos to you for adding more proof to my point. I really can't believe people like you exist. ::applause::

"By the way, anyone can say they're a doc. And since when do docs get holidays off?? That's hysterical."

That's true, but if you truly believe I'm not an M.D, then why do you care? But I do know now that you know nothing about the medical profession if you find it "hysterical" that Doctors get holidays off. =)

Stick to debating whether semi-talented comedians are half-German or Mexican. Trust me when I say that it's probably your forte. Just pray and hope someone will be willing to pay you for it one day. ::smiles::

Bandido said...

A troll is a troll.
You are just like Ned. You even admit you're full of shit.

And I know docs get holidays off. As a matter of fact, the local hospitals are all closed with big signs on the doors saying come back tomorrow.

The thing I don't get is.. why the fuck are you here? You are debating with someone that you think is a tard, what does that say about you?
You're a so-called doc arguing with a bunch of potheads on an anon board. Hats off to you my friend on a living the good life.
Nice try tho.. deflecting everything away from the Mexican wannabe and hypocritical Jew that runs this site.

Franklin M.D said...

"You're a so-called doc arguing with a bunch of potheads on an anon board."

Who is arguing or debating? I think some of you need to pick up a copy of Merriam-Webster. I thought a debate required a counter-point. Mencia and Rogan fans are still idiots, how has this changed?

"Hats off to you my friend on a living the good life."

Thank you. Some days are better than others, but overall I can't complain.

"Nice try tho.. deflecting everything away from the Mexican wannabe and hypocritical Jew that runs this site."

Is there really a need to insult or bring up the ethnicity/religion/etc of people over a simple feud between two comedians? Seriously, relax, and take a step back. You're way too engulfed in something that really doesn't involve you. I doubt Rogan or Mencia give two squats about anyone in here. In fact I was either, I'd probably be laughing my ass off. =)

Bandido said...

You are soooo predictable.

Oh my bad doc
Only Mencia is allowed to mention race, right?
Now be a good boy and run along.

Anonymous said...

Holy shi*, Your still here??
I didn't realize you were still wrtiting? You do look silly sir, I don't think we need to disscuss if you are a M.D or not anymore, that debate is over, LOL.

Now, as far this being a debate.

What else you call this? You felt the need to come on to this board, and speak to , in yhour terms" a bunch of retards."

Now if your such on a higher arch than the rest of us, which you claim to be, why bother arguing with us?

Why even bother calling yourself an M.D, unless you wanted us to notice. THe fact that your still arguing with me proves my point even more.

I'm silly, and I've admitted it, you still won't.

It's easy for you, because you know no one will see your face.

If your going to debate me, which your doing, atleast have the balls to pick a side, rather than trying compare us all together.

You don't want to try to come out and defend Carlo's, becasue you know you can't. Be honest.

Eli said...

Too long, didn't read.

P.S. You suck.

Franklin M.D said...

"I'm silly, and I've admitted it"

Well that's one retard to get the point, only a few thousand more to follow and we've got something to be proud of.

"atleast have the balls to pick a side"

That's kind of like asking someone to pick between "wet shit" and "peanut crusted shit" for dinner. I'll take a pass on both and let retards like Bandido and yourself take extra helpings. =)

Anonymous said...

Hi. Here's a radio show that admitted Carlos steals. It's at the end.

http://tinyurl.com/ypwpg5

So, this adds these guys to Joe Rogan, Ari Shaffir, George Lopez et al's list of people who know Ned Holness steals. But of course, that's not true, just ask a writer on his show! Now that's objectivity.

Also "franklin m.d." is gayer than two guys fucking.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad your fucking retarded. =)

Nikki said...

Franklin has a point and just reading the last couple of post if these are the fans that mencia and rogan bring to comedy, I hope both of them leave very soon...

- Nikki

Franklin M.D said...

Thanks for the kudos Nikki, but it's only a matter of time before the retard crew from Rogan and Mencia's respective camps clamp onto you like leeches.

Anything anti-Rogan or mencia and they smell blood.

I wonder what would happen to these people if they couldn't become obsessed with someone else's life. Probably kill themselves?

Anonymous said...

To the guy above. There's really no need for that anymore. No one has been arguing about the Carlos Rogan thing for a couple hours now.

That debate is over. Now, This fake docor is pretty fun to attack. He won't give up, I'll give him that. But the longer he stays on here arguing with us with comments like ( eating penut crushed shit, and wet shit, ) the more childish he looks, just as everyone else he claims is acting in here.

He started out very proper, and made sure he would stup to our level, so he could keep some crdibility, but he lost that now.

We dragged him down with us.

Irwin Handleman said...

Hey guys, can you stop arguing about this doctor shit or do it somewhere else? Thanks. Let's stay on topic.

As for this new radio "evidence", stereotype olympics was not Carlos' idea. It was pitched by one of our writers, I was there. And I am the one who came up with several of the events. So I guess we are all thieves, or maybe it's not that unique of an idea.

Liu Kang said...

I don't really have an opinion on this, I just saw it posted on slashdot but to the "anonymous" guy above, where did you learn english? Your writing and spelling are fucking horrible!

Anonymous said...

I told you, I'm getting high, what do want from me??

Anyway, where the hell is the doctor ? ah screw it, Im out, I'll be back later to see how much shit was spewed over the hours.

Jerred said...

"I told you, I'm getting high, what do want from me??"

Die please.

Karen said...

Does anyone else find it funny that Mencia's fans are doctors, and other respectable people while Rogan's fans are admitted potheads and general losers?

I just thought that was funny.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else find it funny that Karen accepts that people are doctors just because an anonymous person on the internet says he is? Or that admitting you're a pothead means you're a loser?

Karen, are you enjoying your trip to an even more naive version of 1954?

I just thought that was pathetic.

Anonymous said...

This probably doesn't help the discourse much but ... it is possible to be both German and Mexican all at the same time.

Many of my seasonal employees are Mexican Mennonites - white guys who speak German who were born and raised in Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Mexican


So now everyone can be right.

Go Pile Ass Gong said...

As for this new radio "evidence", stereotype olympics was not Carlos' idea. It was pitched by one of our writers, I was there. And I am the one who came up with several of the events.

But only the ones involving Jews, right?

Marie said...

I think Joe Rogan is kind of annoying, but boy do I loathe Mind of Mencia and that garbage he tries to pass off as comedy. Do you really believe MoM is on such a higher level than Fear Factor? Really? Because it's not. Wanting to defend your boss/friend is understandable, but Joe Rogan isn't the only person to make this point about Mencia, are they also gay or obsessed with him?

Ronnie said...

I'm a comic at the Comedy Store and I've spoken with both Ned and Joe. I consider Ned and Joe my friends and this whole situation is just kind of sad.

I'm just sad that both these guys couldn't just discuss this in private and now all this dirty laundry is out in the open.

Now Joe can't come back to Mitzi's place and Ned has all these absolutely horrible people dissing him without even knowing him as a person.

Joe and Carlos are both great people, shame on the random internet nobody who disses either of them out just for your entertainment.

I'm also surprised Ari got involved with this, I didn't think that was cool since we discussed the fence gate joke way before this and both agreed it was something every comic would try and take an angle with. That wasn't cool Ari.

Irwin Handleman said...

Here is my point proven. Please watch:

http://www.dead-frog.com/archives/2007/02/joke_stealing_ari_shaffir_carlos_mencia_dl_hughley_george_lopez_joe_rogan.php

Liu Kang said...

ronnie you're the first person to make a point in this thread that I actually agree with thanks for contributing

Liu Kang said...

also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPuu_VE7KOA

Carlos didn't steal shit.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, that video doesn't prove Carlos is any less of a theif. That video would've made a good rebuttal except....

Ari actually opened for Carlos (as stated in original video)....which makes the possibility of parallel thought unlikely since Carlos would've had to have seen Ari perform the joke before.

Kim said...

I'm not picking side but I just read this whole damn thing and I still don't know which jokes Mencia is accused of stealing.

People have said he steals but the one joke that was brought up which was the mexican fence joke has been exposed as not being stolen.

So someone on the Rogan side please list proof that other jokes were stolen, thanks.

Umm... said...

Even Ari Shaffir is beginning to think Carlos didn't steal the joke from him.


And as for that joke being really old. I'm starting to believe that might be true. Unfortunately, growing up in Maryland, I wasn't really aware of the Mexican culture too much, nor was I aware of their jokes. Mexican rooms were the last rooms I was able to do well in. --- Ari Shaffir

Anonymous said...

You forgot this part from Ari


And as for that joke being really old. I'm starting to believe that might be true. Unfortunately, growing up in Maryland, I wasn't really aware of the Mexican culture too much, nor was I aware of their jokes. Mexican rooms were the last rooms I was able to do well in. It didn't take me long to figure out black rooms, because I knew all about them growing up. But if your defense on Carlos not stealing that joke from me (even though I did it at least 4 times while opening for him) is that it's a joke that every Hispanic American tells since they were children, then doesn't that mean Carlos Mencia is just doing a joke he heard from other people when he was little? I'm not sure how this is proof against his thievery. It might be proof he didn't take the joke from me, but he's still a hack.

Anonymous said...

Kim, I totally agree with you. Somebody above said it perfectly:

WHERE'S THE PROOF?

The Rogan crowd's philosophy: He's guilty until proven innocent, eh?

You can't cry wolf, then not prove it. The Mencia haters are telling the world he steals jokes from "smaller" comics.

Let's look at the facts:

FACT #1: No "smaller" comic has cried foul

FACT #2: Nobody has provided evidence of "joke-stealing" (Don't get me started on the fence thing. Even Jay Leno had the same joke.)

FACT #3: Bobby Lee's latest video showed Rogan took his comments out of context

Fact #4: Rogan made the infamous video, proving slants in the video

If you want to brand Mencia with a Scarlet letter, at least prove what you accuse him of doing.

Otherwise, stop being so childish with your faulty accusations.

Anonymous said...

The wheels are coming off the Rogaine Conspiracy Wagon and all it cost him was his agent and being banned from a popular comedy club.

Rogaine must be a genius lol

Anonymous said...

Did Mencia's German family immigrate to Honduras before or after World War 2?

Anonymous said...

In that original video alone it lists 1) Bob Levy's joke about licking an asshole

2) Ari's joke about the fence

3) 13 minutes of George Lopez

4) Bobby Lee's joke about his dad putting him on his shoulders at Disneyland (and all Bobby Lee says to refute that, is that he never said it. Then he took down his own video.)

5) Paul Mooney's joke about Star Trek.

That's only what was brought up during an unplanned encounter on one night.

Anonymous said...

That's not proof. Can someone actually post proof? This is getting silly. No one from the Rogan side seems to be willing to post any proof.

Anonymous said...

Yes if Rogan can post lots of videos why doesn't he post the video proof of Mencia stealing?

He already was proven wrong about the fence joke by numerous websites, now let's see what he does to prove he stole a star trek joke.

Anonymous said...

To be able to prove a joke is stolen, you would have to have both jokes on film, which is rare.

Requiring absolute proof many times over pretty much means no one has ever stolen a joke.

Jamie said...

But, that video posted above was able to prove that the fence joke was not stolen from Ari. Even Ari himself says he is beginning to doubt he invented the joke.

So where is the video of the other jokes?

"To be able to prove a joke is stolen, you would have to have both jokes on film, which is rare."

This sounds like an excuse not proof. So basically you're saying you don't have proof? Okay next.

Any other Rogan people have proof instead of excuses?

Anonymous said...

Ok, you're right. If you show me proof that Hitler killed a single Jew, then I'll stop considering Carlos a joke thief simply because almost every comic believes it.

No excuses, just bring me proof. Apparently first hand accounts aren't proof.

Anonymous said...

i love this:

"Parallel thought only counts when one comedian comes up with the joke independent of the second comedian. In this SPECIFIC case, Carlos saw Ari do the joke and then Carlos started telling the joke. That's not parallel thought. If Carlos has PROOF that he was telling the joke BEFORE he saw Ari do it, then YES, it would be parallel thought."

Anonymous said...

It's not just Joe Rogan, and it's not just this hacky joke. Get off Rogan, and let go of this fence joke. Anyone who claims it should be ashamed of themselves.

It's MANY non-famous comedians, and many jokes. You don't get Mencia's reputation off of one hacky fence joke. You get it after years and years of stealing from young comics who can't fight back.

He's a sleazebag. He does "guest sets" that last an hour or longer, just to be a prick to the actual headliner.

Anonymous said...

Aaaand time of death: 4:11.

Godwin's Law never fails.

The end for Rogan said...

Rogan's fans just lost the argument based on Godwin's law.

I mean the utter lack of proof of joke stealing, and the endless stream of excuses were enough, but bringing up the Nazi's has officially killed the argument.

Good job Rogan heads.

The end.

Funny?? said...

Does anyone find this guy funny?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvPW8lTI3No

Anonymous said...

FACT #1: No "smaller" comic has cried foul

Did you not read the posts above you?

Here is what Charlie Moreno said:

As a latino comedian, YES! CARLOS STEALS.
He's stolen from me when in my first year doing comedy and when I asked the owner about it, he laughed in my face. And I didn't get booked there again for 9 months.


When this is what happens to people who call Carlos out, how many people will?

And you are ignoring the fact that in the video Carlos is claiming that Ari never opened for him, when he opened for him 4 times. So first he tries claiming he never would have heard the joke, THEN when that fails he claims parallel thinking. Maybe that could be true of a fence joke...but what about other wierder stuff like the 'battery acid' one? Is that likely to be parallel thinking? Most comics don't tape all thier performances. So they used the first thing they had taped evidence of.

George Lopez was mad enough to punch Mencia in the face after seeing his HBO special, and then calling Comedy Central to tell them it was his material. According to him (on the stern show) the pulled it for a while. But it never got the attention this did, it stayed out of mainstream media, and nothing happened to Carlos. Over and over again, we've seen that money speaks in hollywood. Carlos makes more for his agency then rogan? He can make them drop him. Comedy Central gets more off Carlos then it does from George? Who do you think will win there? It isn't until people stop watching Carlos that anyone will stop him from stealing or even it take it seriously.

Umm... said...

Damn these Rogaine cock suckers are seriously retarded. Grow up dude and go find a girlfriend instead of sucking an unfunny guys dick.

Have you watched Rogan's standup? It's horrible that's why he doesn't have his own show.

Anonymous said...

First off, I'd like to thank everyone who has posted so far. I've been laughing my ass off for a while now, reading all of these posts.

I feel like I have nothing to add regarding the joke stealing debate, so I won't contribute to it.

I've never seen the Mind of Mencia show. Someone in this thread linked a youtube clip of a 'Dee-Dee-Dee' song. I was amazed that it seemed to be one of Mencia's supporters. I say this because I can't believe this could possibly be a highlight of the show; it is so incredibly terrible I could hardly stand to watch the entire clip. I count my blessings that I have only just now been subjected to this kind of mindless garbage. It truly bothers me that someone out there actually considers this even mildly amusing.

To the author of the original post, Irwin Handleman: I pity you. For the fact that you are involved with this terrible show, and respect this hackneyed buffoon; I pity you. Your original post was unconvincing at best, and your subsequent descent into gay jokes and adolescent bickering is downright embarrassing. Based on this evidence, your career outlook is dim at best. In fact, I'm amazed you're employed at all, considering the lack of eloquence you so amateurishly exhibited.

You have my full support if you decide to go back and get your GED.

Mikey said...

I'd still like to know if anyone finds Rogan's standup even remotely funny.

I just watched a few clips of his act on youtube and it was painful. He isn't funny at all, he screams loud at times to emphasize points that make no sense, and when the crowd goes silent, he start using a plethora of curse words that would make a sailor cringe.

Is this guy supposed to be funny? Any Rogan fans care to comment?

Anonymous said...

If your idea of funny is a joke about a border fence built by Mexicans, you may or may not be a thief, but you sure as hell are hack.

Who in the audience won't the see punchline on that one coming a mile away?

And who will laugh out of anything other than an obligation to be polite?

Hammarabi said...

I don't think he was asking about Mencia (who I have only laughed at on few occasions), but he's asking about Rogan.

I just searched youtube for his standup work and I personally think he's awful as well. Is there anyone who finds this guy funny? I notice no Rogan fans have chimed in for the past dozen post so I'm assuming this is a resounding no for everyone.

Anonymous said...

Okay, one of you Rogan posters even bringing Hitler into this thing is super lame.

How much proof do you want? How little do you know about the Holocaust? Pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Also, another thing with you Rogan posters. You're saying that Mencia is guilty until proven innocent?

What happened to the core values of America? That you're innocent until proven guilty?

So far, none of you have provided concrete proof of Mencia's "joke-stealing". It's atrocious how childish you guys really are.

Branding someone for something you can't possibly prove.

"But oh...let's just accuse a hard-working man because Mr. Joe Rogan said so. We can't prove it, but if everybody says so, it must be right."

Twisted.

Get off the thread if you can't back-up your claims with concrete proof/evidence/etc.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

"Requiring absolute proof many times over pretty much means no one has ever stolen a joke."

This is absolutely stupid.

Please don't be a lawyer. For the sake of the good courts, just please don't.

So you're essentially saying that if we have no proof whatsoever that some dude offed his wife, we should just convict him -- because "Hey! We don't have any proof of it, but it just seems right because we think it's right."

You can't convict a man without providing some hard evidence.

I could accuse you that you're retarded, and my accusation would hold more weight than your pathetic attempt.

Camron said...

Joe Rogan is just a classless idiot and I'm surprised that he didn't lose his agent and get banned from more clubs sooner.

He's not funny, no comedic talent whatsoever, and if Rogan fans think this is reflecting positively on him, think again. I think Rogan will probably never get known as a comedian because of his poor attitude. I agree with Ronnie that this could've been handled way more classier. Rogan comes off as a sad loser looking for attention the way he handled it.

Eau De Incognito said...

Several things: The people freaking out because Ned/Carlos isn't Mexican; HE SAYS THIS IN HIS ACT. It is part of his standup that even though his family is from Honduras and he has a german parent, that, living in East LA, he is mexican. He makes the point that any hispanic person in LA is automatically mexican and that if he moved to Florida, bam! He would be puerto rican. I am surprised that no-one, not even the Mencia supporters, pointed this out. He is not trying to fake mexican and in his act he is straight forward about this.

That being said, Mencia isn't funny. I've watched several of his acts from start to finish and didn't laugh once. I also tried to watch Rogan's act and I couldn't even make it through. Rogan isn't just not funny, he is actually horrible. I've heard all the radio stuff about Mencia getting banned and the stuff the DJs say after Mencia or Rogan are off the air, most of it as it happened real time, and I do think Mencia steals. Smaller comedians can't/don't come forward because they are SMALLER. When the hell do you think a no-name comedian is going to get media coverage because his act was stolen? They have no power. How many struggling comedians are out there? How many thousands upon thousand of people toil in obscurity never to make it? Mencia is more of a brand, a product, and he isn't original.

Neither guy is funny. I'm sure Mencia has liberated some stuff from other comics. Joe Rogan is an asshole with a bad act who lucked into money. You should hear his bullshit tirade against Snipes and how they were going to throw down but Snipes pulled out. Uh huh. Too bad there is evidence to prove otherwise, which is the same with Mencia. Edited or not the rumors of stolen material have been circulating for some time and I'm with Rogan.

I'm sorry Irwin, I like your stuff and your blog but calling Rogan gay as a way to retaliate? Calling him out for saying he is shorter than the 5'8" he lists on a profile? That's the best you've got? I could name dozens of ways to discredit the guy. I wouldn't have taken the low road. Rogan has been caught in lies in public before, with evidence to back it up. That would have been the better way to go. What Rogan did was stupid and way out of line, and Ned is your friend, but I'm dissapointed in your come back. You're smarter than this.

Anonymous said...

Apparently there's 2 youtube clips showing Carlos stealing from Bill Hicks and even Chappelle. I'll try to find them. I'm sure Rogan is mixing all of this together for part 2.

Yes, there will be a part 2. He said it on Brewer.

Roger said...

After watching this I'm writing a letter to the UFC about my disapproval with this hack Rogan. I'll send a video copy of this incident to show them that he is a loose cannon. Maybe it won't amount to anything but I hope others do the same, Rogan is an untalented hack. He should stick to forcing people to eat raw bull testicles.

Anonymous said...

Just watched the Bill Hicks segment. Carlo's is about to have the worst month of his life.

Anyway, I was just wondering something.

This isn't about stealing. Everyone knows he steals now.

This is about his name.

Something very awkward happened, and I'm sure you all noticed as well. When Rogan calls out Mencia on his name, Ned puts in lot of effort to prove that his name is Carlos. He pulls out his wallet, and shows it to the crowd. Then he says that you can't legally change your name, if it's a green card.

LOL, After all of that, Rogan asks him a simple question.
"Is your name Ned?"

Carlo's answers. "Yes"

Why did he do that? He just tried like hell, to defend his lie, then he admits to it. WTF??

I really started to feel sorry for him.

Carl said...

The thing most people hate about Rogan isn't that he's dirty looking or even mean to women, he's just not talented.

I still have yet to see a Rogan fan say "I love Rogan's standup".

Rogan is fucking awful, I couldn't even watch a 3 minute clip on youtube because he stinks so much. At least Carlos can be funny, stolen jokes or not (not that I've seeny any conclusive proof that he steals...)

Anonymous said...

IMDB on February 16 from Google cache. "His mother, Magdelena Mencia, is Honduran and his father, Roberto Holness, is German."

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:acMESDidGiUJ:www.imdb.com/name/nm0578788/bio+carlos+mencia+imdb+bio&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

IMDB on February 20th as of this post. "His mother, Magdelena Mencia is from Mexico and his father, Roberto Holness, from Honduras."
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0578788/bio

If IMDB got it wrong is one thing, but the change in wording does not contradict the previous description. The wording now is somewhat misleading if his father is German and his mother is Honduran.

Anonymous said...

I have to say Irwin, since I enjoy reading your blog, I attempted to watch the stupid Mencia show. What a huge unfunny mess of crap. His racist and homophobic jokes are nowhere near amusing. Joe Rogan is very funny (are you kidding me that you think Newsradio wasn't funny?!?).
As walter said, cut your losses.

twistedcherry said...

This one's for you, Carl. I love Rogan's stand-up. I own his cd, his dvd and have been lucky enough to see him live.

Irwin Handleman said...

The show is not for everyone, and it's very different from what I write here. But I hardly think that's a reason for me to pack it in and go sell plumbing supplies.

The fact is, the people who like it, love it, and as crappy as everyone here thinks it is, I enjoy doing it.

As far as my "retaliations" that seemed to have offended people, I was just having some fun with the crazy onslaught of Rogan fans here. Nothing more. Can't we all relax and laugh at this silliness?

Bandido said...

"I was just having some fun with the crazy onslaught of Rogan fans here. Nothing more. Can't we all relax and laugh at this silliness?"

Couldn't agree more.

By the way, wtf is up with the losers on the Rogan board? As much as I like Joe's comedy, the posters over there are like a bunch of jealous teenagers. They cannot seem to get off Joe's cock for one minute. "post your porn and stfu".. how retarded.

Franklin M.D said...

I agree with Ronnie's point all the way up there.

That guy seems cool.

rob said...

Irwin’s right, there is no original ideas in the entertainment business. All the jokes that Rogan and Ari are pissed off at Carlos for ripping off are jokes that have been done by dozens of comedians. The only reason they are making a beef with Carlos and not the countless of other comedians whose names no one knows is because Carlos has what the rest of them don’t have, stage presence. Why do you think Comedy Central give Carlos a show where he basically spends half the show doing his standup routine? Because the guy can work a stage like very few comedians can. I’ve seen Ari and Rogen do stage shows and Carlos can work circles around them. Ari and Rogen are so dull on stage they make Dane Cook look good.

Franklin M.D said...

I agree with Rob. Joe Rogan's standup is pretty subpar. I can't imagine anyone paying for a ticket.

This whole situation just seems to me like nothing more than jealousy.

Anonymous said...

Wait a minute...Irwin is JEWISH?!

Anonymous said...

I tried watching mind of mencia after a few people kept telling me about it. Its just not funny to me. dee dee dee isn't funny? I know a gimmick that sticks can work but I just don't see the appeal.

as far as the he's not Mexican thing, its like the episode of seinfeld where they accused the dentist of becoming jewish to have free reign on using the jokes lol. I'm surprised some organization hasn't filed some kind of lawsuit for rascist remarks or some other sensitive crap.

Anonymous said...

Irwin -- The funniest comment to me in this whole string is your comment about packing it all in and sell plumbing supplies. If people only knew how funny that really is.
j.

Anonymous said...

Has Rogan ever had a comedy special on HBO or any major cable station?

I don't think he has, probably because he's just not funny.

I think Mencia has been on HBO like 5 times at least.

Anonymous said...

Here’s another interesting radio interview that’s getting tossed around the internet, it’s The Carlos™ on the Mikey show in San Diego. He’s defending himself saying that he never steals material, and then he tries to be funny, and goes ahead and steals someone’s material. The DJ, Mikey, who’s a cool motherfucker, says Carlos will never be back on his show again.
The sick get sicker.
Hilarious shit.
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Carlos_Mencia_banned_from_the_Mikey_Radio_Show_Caught_using_a_stolen_bit

Anonymous said...

http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Carlos_Mencia_banned_from_the_Mikey_Radio_Show_Caught_using_a_stolen_bit

A^laska said...

Whenever I watch Carlos Mencia go off on one of his anti-hispanic rants (which take up about 99% of his sickeningly offensive show), I feel like I'm watching Michael Richards flip out at African Americans AND Mel Gibson acting anti-semetic at the same time. It's that bad. And not even worth it, because it's never funny.

A^laska said...

And one more thing... your Pam Anderson/Carmen Electra analogy is the lamest piece of bullsh*t I've ever read in my life; you've obviously missed the point of why people are angered about Ned's fake name.

Anonymous said...

These stupid Rogaine fans like a^laska up there are the reason Rogaine will never get a show on network TV that doesn't involve eating bull dicks.

Mr. Penis said...

Ned is as funny as a wet fart. Joe's about as funny. Why do all you people give a shit? Let the spics have their little comedian and all the intelligent people can have funny comedians. Fuck. You'd think Ned or Joe paid you people or gave you something. If they both died tomorrow, my world wouldn't change. Fuck them.

Anonymous said...

I only have one problem with the postings in this Blog. Okay fine people on both sides are stating all kinds of things and utilizing the opportunity to insult both of the comedians. Fine. This is great because this is what makes things better in this country, if people were one sided then someone is not thinking (yes. this is a popular quote, please do not calle me a thief). I will not comment on the thief vs not thief because honetly the whole think is sketchy from both sides. But like I said, I do have one problem. And that is this. People have been posting false material and altering things to back up their argument. Tha is just not cool, because I went to look at things and they were not what the person said it was. Remember that all of this is coming from sites that people can alter at any given minute.

THIS IS THE FACT, SCREW ALL OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW THEIR GEOGRAPHY OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT NAMES AND THEIR ROOTS. Holness is not a German name or Honduran or Mexican, you freaking idiots. In fact Bob Holness, the 2nd actor to play James Bond is English. Names have traveled across the world because we can't keep it in our pants when we travel.Secondly, somebody posted an IMDB as a source and altered what it said I checked it out on the 16th and the 20th and the 25th and it always said that Carlos's Parents were from Mexico (mom) and Honduras (dad). But this is still not credible because it was on a site that could be alter. But there is one credible source that could not be altered over night and that is newspapers. And here it is ladies and gentlemen http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/27/AR2005092701875_2.html
So the argument is not really whether he is German or Mexican it is actually whether he is Mexican or Honduran. Which to me does not matter because he is Latino. And Hondurans are immigrants just like Mexicans (and thats not a crack on them it is the reality of what they have to go through to get to America). So please refrain from this argument cause it does not prove anything. Spend more time arguing about something that touches on the actual argument like whether or not he is a thief. Him being accused of being German does nothing for that argument.

Now that we have established he is Mexican/Honduran...PEACE !!!!

Anonymous said...

To all the people that do not think Carlos is funny, you are probably one of those that he has offended. Shame on you. Joe Rogan is a cool dude. I like that he is standing up for what he believes. I like his method because it is very Liberal and he did not hold back. Whether what he claims is true is a whole other issue. He is a great TV personality, I loved Fear Factor as much as people are being ignorant about the whole eating balls thing. Last time I remember the contestants ate the balls and either way you are probably mad you did not get some. He is great in UFC and kicks ass. In Newsradio he was not that funny and that show was not as amazing as people are making it out to be. I found out about it after it was already on re-runs. Nontheless Joe is not known for his Comedy, although people believe it is good and that is fine, that is just not what he is known for though. He is a host. Both guys are rich and that does not change anything. Joe might be gay but who cares, its not changing anything. Carlos is funny as hell and I think that no matter what both guys win at then end of the day because nothing is really proven, all I have seen are comments and opinions, just like during elections. NO FACTS. So at the end the audience is at lost because we are torn between two amazing TV personalities. This SUCKS IM OUT

Anonymous said...

Ned Manstelia is a fucking HACK! Nothing more needs to be said.

Anonymous said...

Joe Rogaine is bald and stupid.

Nothing more needs to be said (except his standup is fucking awful!)

GForce10 said...

You know what there is a lot I can say but I do not want to waste to much of my breath on Rogan because frankly he does not deserve it.

Anyway lets digress from Mencia and Rogan for a second and talk about South Park. I know that a whole bunch of people like South Park and that they also follow it. Lets talk about the episode "Up The Down Steriod." This was on the 8th season of South Park.

Now if you have not seen this episode, first off go watch it. Secondly, in this episode Cartman decides to pretend he is handicapped in order to win the special olympics so he can make money. Well this idea surfaced again only this time there was an entire movie made based on this idea with Johnny Knoxville called "The Ringer."

Now the first reaction everyone had was that this idea was stolen from Matt and Trey the creators of South Park. Then because of these events the director or producer (I cannot remember which one it was) blamed Matt and Trey for stealing that idea for that episode. Now if anyone has the season 8 DVD of South Park they would know what Matt and Trey had to say about this issue. They said that they had been throwing the idea of Cartman joining the special olympics around for a few years, but they were not able to come up with another compelling story. They thought that making the whole episode revolve around Cartman and the special olympics would not be good enough. They said that the notion or idea of having a character pretend to be handicapped and join the special olympics is such a base idea that many people can come up with. They had also mentioned the Michael Jackson epsiode as such. Making fun of Michael Jackson is something so base and unoriginal that eveyone will be doing similar jokes about him.

Which brings be back to Carlos and Rogan. Why doesn't Carlos say that Ron White stole his Michael Jackson Joke? (If you do not know what I am talking about watch the beginnings of both Not For The Easily Offeneded - Carlos Mencia and You Can't Fix Stupid - Ron White) The reason for this and the lesson for the day kids is that many jokes are based on such base ideas and that means that no one is stealing from anyone else. How can you steal ideas or jokes that are based on subject matter that is not orginal but is already out there in the pulic sphere? The answer you can't.

Melbell237 said...

Irwin,
I really wish you would close or at least moderate your comments - it's like a trollfest in here.
On topic: Regardless of whether you "like" Mind of Mencia or Carlos's style of humor, you have to admit that Joe Rogan's hate-fest is effin' creepy. It just is. The fact that he's made it his life's work to discredit one crappy (or not) comedian is creepy. I don't blame Carlos for going there with the gay accusation, because the whole thing is seriously Single-White-Female-ish.

Irwin Handleman said...

The choice to not moderate comments was made for comedy purposes. And you sound way to sensible to be posting with all these lunatics. But I agree with you.

emerillagasse said...

Who Cares, Both of them are not funny and ass anyways, especially rogan who hasn't been the same since phil hartman died and this is the same person that destroyed the man show and brought that cancerous fear factor.

Anonymous said...

Bobby, how come you don't respond to what you said to rogan in 2005 on video about carlos stealing your entire act, then something specific about some disney land ride joke?

Were you lost in Joe's eyes? Were you joking about Ned stealing?

Please explain that in a video on youtube, not some posting that looks like you were dragged out of bed at gunpoint.

Anonymous said...

It's hard to prove any stealing. Over the years he has built a reputation among other comics of stealing material. If someone opening for you tells a joke that you later use, then thats stealing. Unless your the one who let him use the joke first for his open.

Oh please...lots of you watched Fear Factor. It was damn gross and great at the same time. Next thing you will deny liking "ice ice baby" from Vanilla Ice...lol


I think Ned is funny. But gaining from someone else's works is wrong.
I think Joe is funny too, but his audience is a different than Neds. He is a harsh rough "fuck you" style of comic.

Man what a long read..jeez...I just wasted 2 hours of my life..LOL

So I might as well posted something..

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