Got a couple of interesting responses to my post on the Occupy movement.
Hulga said...
I definitely am down with the Occupy movement after watching our economic system get further and further out of sync with democracy. I don't want to wait for it to get so bad that the middle class is gone forever and the poor are even more desperate.
The level of corruption on Wall Street isn't clear (for good reasons) and so the changes that need to be made are murky and it's hard to point fingers at specific people and institutions. However, it is easier to point fingers at the protesters for being dirty, homeless, young or whatever. The mainstream, corporate owned media has definitely supported this position.
If you want to learn more about some of the demands of Occupy, here is a good place to start. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy
Also remember that Occupy just started in late September. It's going to take time to establish a specific agenda and leadership. Anyone who agrees with the basic philosophy that the corruption driving politics and banking has to end, needs to help create the necessary changes rather than passively sit back and criticize Occupy. Our collective future depends on it!
And:
Anonymous said...
"Let the smart people talk" is exactly how we got in this global financial mess. The poor, the marginalized, the uneducated, the homeless... they have no voice. Nobody gives a shit about them.
Including you. I guess if people want social and economic justice they should get a job and go buy it, right?
I guess the point I was trying to make was that if you continue to allow "the uneducated, the homeless" to talk on television, you are going to lose a lot of support from the masses. They are not good representatives to communicate the message, and thus, they are bad for the message.
As I wrote previously, I was watching a live broadcast from Occupy LA with a reporter randomly asking people questions. And it made me hate them. If you're really for the cause, I would think that you would recognize that that's not a good thing.
I also don't think it's helpful to be super defensive about it. I believe in a lot of what you are saying, but I also know that there are tons of idiots out there. I think it's fair to point that out.
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Listen to what you're saying... it's wrong of occupy to "allow" poor people to SPEAK? Think about that for a minute.
occupy is a leaderless movement, there is no one with the authority to "allow" anyone else to speak, and even if there were, the WHOLE POINT is that huge swaths of society are MARGINALIZED, that rich people like you think they're beneath you, unworthy, should just shut up and accept whatever injustice society wants to dump on them. Or find someone you deem "acceptable" to speak on their behalf.
Of course you hate them, you're the 1%. This isn't about winning you over, it's about taking back the power and the privilege society has given you and spreading it around. Social and economic justice.
We don't need your permission or your approval. This isn't about you, it's about us. It's about creating a new social space where people like you don't get to tell anyone not to speak.
I mean, the reason inarticulate people probably rushed forward to be interviewed on tv, and that Family Guy writer who was brutalized and arrested didn't, is that they've gone their whole lives without anyone caring what they think about anything. I don't think you, a person with a huge public forum and tons of white male privilege on your side, can appreciate how hard it is to live as a person who doesn't count.
This isn't about you being swayed by what they have to say, it's about them speaking, being listened to, being treated like human beings whose pain matters instead of filthy animals who should be hidden in a the barn so as to not upset your delicate sensibilities.
There's really no winning on this one. I agree with a lot of underlying OWS sentiment: crony capitalism is a scam, politicians are in the pay of lobbyists, the government has screwed Joe and Jane Public in a big way, this administration is demanding that middle class and low income people pay for the mistakes made by politicians. Yep, agreed.
But the suggested "cures" that the OWS camp has are worse than what ails us. (This is based on going down to Zucotti Park in NYC and talking to people there, observing what was going on. It was a mixture of the entitled "funemployed," the genuinely aggrieved, and the usual hippie types who think dissent for the sake of dissent is a productive and noble use of their time.) How this crowd can beat their chests and wail over how the government has screwed them over, then demand more, bigger government as the solution is baffling to me. I can' take OWS seriously because of this.
Make no mistake, people who talk about "taking back the power and privilege society has given you and spreading it around" are dangerous. They're not "liberal," they're would-be thieves and will use the threat of state violence to take whatever you have that they want. These can't possibly be your people.
By the way, I was at a fundraiser last night for the humanitarian organization I have worked with for the past two years (for the first year, on a $40 million Gates Foundation grant to address maternal, infant and child mortality in Malawi, Sierra Leone, and India; for the past year, on a volunteer and fundraising basis for their work to help the extremely poor in 26 of the world's most poverty-stricken countries). Guess who gave the more than $1 million raised last night? Yup, the 1%. I have done a lot of fundraising in my time, and often think that if the OWS crowd could meet the reviled white guys whose assets they so badly wish to repossess, they might have to face the reality that those people aren't Satan. But nah, they'll just hang out in a park with their bongo drums and rapes, and call it a movement. Good luck with that, assholes.
Jackie,
The 1% may have given up 1 million at a charity event...but if there were less corruption in the business transactions of the 1%, they may not have to give to the poor at all, because the poor wouldn't perhaps need their charity. Get it?
Also, you are mentioning the stealing from the rich mentality....don't you realize the rich have been stealing from the 99% for so many years now that no one even thinks of their white collar crimes as theft at all. It's just hidden crimes at this point because they have the money to cover it all up.
We the 99% don't want a hand out from the rich, we want equality so that we don't need their damn hand outs. It will take policy changes to get that to happen and the 99% are just trying to effect that change because no one else has or will. Hence, the huge gap between haves and have-nots.
You're right, occupiers are not liberals, they're revolutionaries. Liberals are the enemy, they want to maintain the status quo.
Fuck charity. Charity not economic justice. Charity is not self-determination. You don't get to exploit the poor and then act all gracious and benevolent for tossing a few pennies from your penthouse window.
When the people get angry enough at being exploited, they'll take back their livelihoods, whether you like it or not. Just ask Marie Antoinette.
okay then, i've listened to the poor people speak, and i disagree with everything they are saying, mostly because it's fucking GIBBERISH.
i'm not telling anyone not to speak, i'm saying maybe it's in your best interest for them not to.
i don't know if people who can't form coherent sentences are beneath me, but i do think i deserve to make more money than them.
society hasn't given me power and privilege, hard work has. i wasn't sitting in a tent smoking the ganj for the last 10 years, i've been writing britney spears skank jokes. and that's the american way.
i officially hate you. you've just lost one supporter. good luck.
Please read this if you have a minute, it's about why a young black woman feels alienated from the occupy movement. It's largely because people like you are trying to dictate who should be allowed to speak.
Your "adjust your message and tactics to cater to ME" attitude is the problem with our culture, both inside the occupy movement and out.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/17/1027186/-A-Black-Woman-Who-Occupied-Wall-Street:-Why-She-Wont-Be-Going-Back
"When I spoke up and said that he and two other white men are not supposed to dictate to everyone what should happen but that the decision should be made through consensus he got angry."
i don't know if people who can't form coherent sentences are beneath me, but i do think i deserve to make more money than them.
Amen!
Love you Irwin
so i say i'm not sure about this whole occupy movement, you tell me i'm an idiot, then you ask me to read an article which says that the people in the occupy movement are drug addicted racists. so don't we agree?
Where did I call you an idiot?
YOU'RE the one who said this: "...but I also know that there are tons of idiots out there."
Is it possible you're projecting?
No, we don't agree. When you say things like this:
"i'm saying maybe it's in your best interest for them not to."
what I'm hearing you say is that we should ignore our own experience and bow before your superior wisdom. That's condescending. Can we agree on that much? That you're being condescending?
damn right i'm being condescending. i do feel superior to drug addicts living in tents and unable to answer simple questions. i'm quite an asshole like that.
i said those people talking to the news were a bunch of idiots and a bad representation of the movement. you say they are drug addicted racists. where's the disagreement?
I'm saying condescending white men are the problem, whether they're at occupy or sneering at occupy while they plan their Hawaiian vacations.
There is our disagreement. I think you, and your condescending attitude, are the problem.
interesting. cause i don't recall being the one who gave out all those bad mortgages. but i guess you think all white people are the same. know what that makes you?
a racist. and apparently, very jealous. i'll pour out a little pineapple juice in honor of your poverty. aloha.
Hell yeah, the 1% make the large charity donations ... it's another huge write off to get their 15% capital gains tax down to 13%. Without the write off, there would be far less donations ... only the people who have hearts would donate.
Irwin is right about people who can speak well getting out the message. Politicians have proven over and over that the content doesn't matter as much as the delivery. That's the problem with a guy like Ron Paul, who has the right message, but can't find the charisma to deliver it. While, on the other hand, Reagan was looked at as a great leader.
What a great opportunity for a guy like Warren Buffett, or the CEO of Starbucks/etc. to come to the forefront, organize and rally the troops, and be that leader that we so badly need.
Oh well .... Newt will straighten it all out when he gets elected. Oops, he's the guy that made millions as a lobbyist for Freddie Mac.
You know that anger you're feeling right now? That is how occupiers, poor people, young black women, feel ALL THE TIME. You're getting a tiny, microscopic taste of the anger we live with constantly. Think about that a little. Maybe you'll start listening to our experiences instead of dismissing, condescending and dictating.
http://www.dickshovel.com/priv.html
ha! i don't feel any anger, i feel sorry for you. do you understand the difference?
keep blaming all your problems on other people though, that seems to be going well.
Condescension (and you already admitting you're condescending) isn't pity, it's you feeling superior.
You seem to think I and the other occupiers should acknowledge your superiority and accept your patronizing unsolicited advice with gratitude, and you seem angry that we're not going to do that.
That's how I read your tone. If that's not the tone you wish to convey, perhaps you can find a professional writer to help you sharpen and focus your writing a little.
(Are you angry yet? Kind of sucks being patronized, doesn't it.)
why would i be angry over what some anonymous retard says on the internet? you seem to know, why would you?
C'mon, Irwin .... You have to admit that you get a little frustrated when it ALWAYS turns into a race issue with unhappy, mistreated, people .... black, white, yellow, or red.
Dumb me, I just found out that the occupy movement was all about racism. And, here I thought that it was about economic injustice against all races.
"Hell yeah, the 1% make the large charity donations ... it's another huge write off to get their 15% capital gains tax down to 13%. Without the write off, there would be far less donations ... only the people who have hearts would donate."
HUH? You really think the government that screwed you is the one that should be deciding who gets help, rather than people who earn their money lawfully? (Yes, I wish I had a lot of money, but I don't. I don't begrudge anyone who has earned a living without stealing from other people. If you think the only reason people are rich is because they stole from someone else, you really need basic schooling in the fixed quantity of wealth fallacy.)
I've gone on trips to some of the most destitute parts of the earth with these men and women. As much as you'd love to dehumanize them, they are real people with real feelings, and they write checks that save real lives. Ever hung out in a slum in West Africa where 500 people share one toilet? I recommend taking a rich white dude, who will write a check on the spot to build dozens more toilets ASAP.)
Seriously, get out of the victim mentality, stop asking "What can I take from others?" and ask what you can DO for others. Get out of the tent and into service. Haul your ass to a place where people literally do not have a pot to piss in, where the toddlers splash around in filthy fucking water and are happy to call it a "bath," and take off your own fucking Pampers.
You have no idea how much those people would give to have the opportunities you do. If you hand one of those kids in Darfur a pencil and a school textbook, he treasures them like they're made of solid gold. The little girls dream of making it to age 14 with no pregnancies. The teenage girls are cast out of their own "homes" when they start menstruating, and they can't go to school because they don't have feminine hygiene products to stop them from bleeding all over the place.
I can't imagine what those people think of Americans if they ever hear about OWS. I'm so glad that many of them just associate our country with the rich white people who make their lives a little bit better than they otherwise would be.
Whoa, Jackie .... the stress of the holidays must be getting to you.
I never said that helping out starving people wasn't a great thing to do. There are great organizations out there .... the Peace Corp, for example. And there are good hearted people out there .... I believe that Gates has his heart in the right place.
All that I'm trying to say is that many of the 1% use it as a tax write off. They don't lose a penny on their charity donations ... and they justify their "goodness" that way .... while they continue to take money from investors, place it in bad investments, and insure themselves against the losses.
I'm sure that your time and help is appreciated by the underpriviledged. I'm just not convinced that most of the donors have their hearts in the same place that you do.
Regardless, keep up the good work!
It might be in your best interests to not call people retards.
This is where yo say "Who the fuck are you to tell me what's in my best interests, go fuck yourself."
INDEED. Think about it.
"All that I'm trying to say is that many of the 1% use it as a tax write off. They don't lose a penny on their charity donations ... and they justify their "goodness" that way .... while they continue to take money from investors, place it in bad investments, and insure themselves against the losses."
If you really care about poverty, you won't care about what's in people's hearts when they save lives. Period. Do you want to legislate altruism?
Also, why do you think all rich people work in banking? This is so strange to me, like a really bad Oliver Stone caricature of the world.
If they're not investing YOUR money, it's none of your business if the investments are bad. It's the fact that the government has used YOUR (and my) money to bail them out that is the problem. So the issue isn't with people making bad investments, it's with the US government guaranteeing them with your hard-earned money (I'm assuming you work).
As well as working in the humanitarian arena, I've also worked for years in start-ups (since the first boom, 1999), in Europe and Silicon Valley. I can tell you - and the most successful investor will tell you the same thing - that investments are a crap shoot. Hence the phrase "Once you're lucky, twice you're good".
That's all a distraction from the main problem: You can't have big government and have a government with clean hands. There's too much money at stake to keep these dirty deals from being made with corporations. The solution isn't to take more money from successful people at gunpoint or threat of jail so that these mythical benevolent public servants can decide how to save the world.
I can't believe I'm doing this, but check out this Phil Donohue clip if you can't grok this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
"Dumb me, I just found out that the occupy movement was all about racism. And, here I thought that it was about economic injustice against all races."
Privileged, not dumb. You think racism isn't an issue because you have the privilege of not having to deal with it. Please read this:
http://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/2011/10/inevitable-challenge-of-race-white.html
"Some on the Left will insist that the Occupy Wall Street movement is all about class and not race. Moreover, from their perspective, any talk about race is a distraction from more "important" issues. This is a dangerous and problematic script."
Jackie said:
"That's all a distraction from the main problem..."
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Who are you to tell ME what the problems affecting ME are? You and Irwin are both being condescending. You're telling me to ignore my own experience and bow before your superior wisdom.
No. I don't care whether you accept that or not. occupy is about taking power from people like you who refuse to see the problems we're screaming about, not asking for your charity.
"Who are you to tell ME what the problems affecting ME are?"
Uh, an educated person with eyes and a brain?
I love that I have this "power" you speak of. Who knew? It's like when one of my friends found out he was listed on a bunch of sites about Jews who supposedly control the media. If only he'd known he wielded such power, and if only I'd known I could have exploited his status in this great conspiracy!
Look, you don't know me or where I come from. You don't know my socioeconomic background, my ethnic make-up, or anything else but what I've told you. Based on a few blog comments, you dismiss me as a powerful person from whom you need to take. That tells me all I need to know about you, and I'm out.
"Look, you don't know me or where I come from."
Do you really not see the irony in this? Uh, I'm an educated person with eyes and a brain, Jackie. That means I get to tell YOU how things are. Isn't that what you said ten fucking seconds before telling me not to dismiss you?
You first. I'm sure as hell not going to respect you when you show no respect for me.
I give up, Hack.
These two girls are hell bent, and closed minded.
Reminds me of Don Quixote fighting the windmills ... "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless."
You go girls!!
p.s. The occupy movement is not about class or race, and the Bernie Madoff's of the world are a problem. As is the government in bailing out the fuckers.
hahaha, so nice of you to let me know what occupy is about. I'll be sure to pass down your wisdom to my fellow occupiers. We've been so lost without you.
L. O. L.
Hack... I didn't know you were part of the 1%?! Good for you. Tosh pays pretty good these day
Now give me your money! I deserve it just for existing in america
I'm confused about how this all escalated to this point. Everyone calm down. To those who misinterpreted and over-reacted:
Nobody said that the poor, tired, wretched, huddled masses shouldn't speak-up. Heck, that's me. I got laid off due to the economy tanking. We said the inarticulate weirdos that the news media always puts on the air are not the best representatives of the OW cause. How can you possibly disagree about that? People need to put down the joints, crawl out of those tents, take off their silly hats, and go crap in their own toilets if they want to be taken seriously by anyone.
And I can't figure out for the life of me why someone on here is yammering on about a million dollars raised in charity. The people who donated made it back in tax write-offs. It has nothing to do with this argument. We all give to charity, don't we? Bill Gates makes that much in interest every 3 seconds. As long as he's paying his fair share in taxes and not doing anything immoral or illegal, nobody is begrudging him of the fact that he was able to make more money than he could ever spend in his entire lifetime, and he's a really great guy for giving so much of it away.
I think we can all agree on certain points, like the fact that the government is broken, Wall Street screwed the country, corporations need to pay taxes, unemployment levels are bad, and we need to make some major changes to save ourselves from becoming a nation with no middle class.
And Irwin isn't even close to being in the top 1%. : )
Don't tell me to calm down. That's the most condescending thing said yet in a thread full of the most condescending bullshit I've ever seen.
You'll take the reaction I give you. You don't get to dictate what I say or what tone I say it in, you entitled dickbag.
Here's the point you're still, astoundingly, not getting:
Shut the fuck up and listen for once.
Is it really so hard to make-up a screen name so that there aren't all of these Anonymous posts? Not that I'm dictating. Just trying to figure out who the Anon that's wigging-out so hard is referring to. I was the one who said calm down, but I'm not an entitled dickbag, I'm an unemployed female. In any case, Happy Holidays. And God bless us everyone. I know that's what you really meant when you said shut the fuck up to whoever you were referring to. : )
cshel, you thought it was us, and then found yourself sucked into the vortex! welcome to the party.
it's amazing how one crazy person can wreak all of this havoc.
but let me be the voice of reason, of calm, and of perspective, and just say:
retard retard retard
Is that you, Ashley (the Bachelorette that no one wanted), giving Irwin payback?
Anonymous: Did I miss the part where YOU were told to calm down? No I didn't. The statement was directed to EVERYONE.
Here's my point, and hopefully you actually get it:
You are a psychiatrist's dream. Find a couch and a box of kleenex cause you have some serious issues!
"it's amazing how one crazy person can wreak all of this havoc."
If you think this is havoc, you have no idea what's headed this way. There are millions of me around the world, and we're finally organizing.
You really have no idea, and it looks like you won't wake up until it's on your doorstep.
If they are all as stupid as you, it's no wonder they can't find work. Plus, they'll probably get lost trying to find my doorstep cause they can't afford iPhones.
This is just my opinion, I do not speak for everyone...
I feel like something needs to be done to decrease the gap that is occuring between the haves and the have-nots. There is almost no middle class left. Who are the 99%? Well, the 99% group is one that is broad and expansive. It includes people of all races, and the scale of income levels earned within that 99% is great also. It ranges from homeless, to working class, to almost comfortable but struggling, and so forth. The people in this 99% are people who don't work, can't work, want to work but can't find jobs, and people who work their asses off and can barely make ends meet. It's a huge group. There are many opinions with in that group about what to do next. I think there may be concensus found in the basics. People do not want to accept corporate greed. People want the mortgage crisis to be alleviated. We want jobs that pay more and have health benefits. We don't want to rely on charity from the 1% to obtain these things. Even those who are quite comfortable, but not necessarilly rich, are being affected by the corportate greed and poor policies that have been introduced in the last 30 years or so. This is why the middle class (who have been notoriously hard workers, yet "comfortable" in their lifestyles) are now disappearing. EVERYONE has been affected. People who have worked hard their whole lives, and have always done the right thing (ie. saved money, went to college, owned their own modest homes, etc...) are now finding themselves flailing in this economic environment. New college grads are left with bloated student loans and they struggle to find work let alone pay the loans back as they accrue up to 6% interest. The shit is rolling down hill people. It's taking out the middle class and it keeps on rolling down until we are all left to wallow in it.
It's not happening just in our country either. It's happening all over Europe, etc... One cause is corportate greed in the financial markets. I am not pointing fingers so much to single them out (bankers), but more to just get a grip on one possible root to where this is coming from so we can solve this issues that are taking our economy down. We've become a society that is more reactive than proactive lately. Everyone is out to protect themselves because we're all afraid we might be the next ones to go down. That means everyone in that economic scale that I was talking about. Funny thing is, if you talk to someone who is in the upper middle class or higher, they don't understand necessarilly what it's like for those people who are down lower economically. Many of them think people are just feeling sorry for themselves. Maybe some people are, but many others are feeling angry and scared because they are trying so hard and can't seem to do anything but tread water. I think many of the upper crust who've been downsized and can't now find jobs have a new understanding of what the 99% are going through. Until it happens to them, it may be that it's more difficult for them to be compassionate. We could all be a bit more compassionate couldn't we? I'm sure many will take opposition to parts of what I've written here, but I assure you I am not someone who is uneducated, lazy, or a pot head. I am quite the opposite and I am feeling the pressure of this economy. It's a snowball effect.
I was all in with the OWM until I read all the race rants here.
Now, I realize that it’s the same old crap with blacks screaming at whites, white supremists expressing their hatred, dredges of society crying for more free handouts, and the activists not sure why they are there, but willing to join in on any crusade that’s available. It’s just another soap box for anyone that has a grievance. There’s no direction, no organization, no central theme. There can’t possibly be, since most there are only focused on their individual plights.
What I'm hearing you say is "Let them eat cake." Got it.
If you think what we want is to buy iphones and other useless junk made with Chinese slave labor, you really aren't paying attention at all. But I guess I already knew that.
"Is this a revolt?"
"No, Sire, it is a revolution."
"There’s no direction, no organization, no central theme."
Social and economic justice are the central theme. You're just not listening.
And you still don't seem to understand that this is, by design, a leaderless and decentralized movement.
We don't want to be directed or lead by anyone, least of all by people like you who refuse to even acknowledge that our problems exist. That's how we got in this mess in the first place.
What occupy is doing is attempting to create a new social space free from privilege, oppression, condescension, ad hominem attacks (retard? stupid?), and attempts to "direct" us.
A social space where nobody tells poor people they're not allowed to speak because their crudity is offensive to the rich.
A social space where nobody tells young black women to ignore their own experience and bow before the superior wisdom of white men.
Basically, we're creating a social space free from people like you.
LOL@useless junk made with Chinese slave labor
That computer that you're using to post your rants was most likely made in China too. But, I know, it doesn't count since it's your tool in getting this "revolution" going.
The way that I see it the central theme began with economic justice for the 99%. All races were bound together in this plight.
It’s now evolved into just another social justice “poor me” crusade.
Leave it to people like you to fuck it all up.
“Basically, we're creating a social space free from people like you.”
Dammit, we’ve been on the same page all along. I want you to have that free space from me too. I’ll back off now, and leave you alone to organize your revolution. You wear me out!
"Dammit, we’ve been on the same page all along. I want you to have that free space from me too. I’ll back off now, and leave you alone to organize your revolution."
Wait, you mean it's NOT all about you?!?!?
"You wear me out!"
a single tear falling on the world's tiniest violin.
Please, continue to notify me about how this all affects YOU. We at occupy are waiting with bated breath to cater to YOUR wants and needs.
Okay .... I promise .... this will be my last comment to you.
"Wait, you mean it's NOT all about you?!?!?"
Nah .... It's all about me when I say that I want the distance between us too.
Here's what I meant .... There comes a time in life when you walk away from all the drama and people who create it. You surround yourself with people who make you laugh, forget the bad, and focus on the good. So, love the people who treat you right, pray for the ones who don't. Life is too short to be anything but happy.
I will pray for you.
"That computer that you're using to post your rants was most likely made in China too."
You're still, unbelievably, missing the point.
Irwin made a crack about us getting lost because we can't afford iphones. That reveals how bankrupt his values are. He thinks we value shiny slave-made gadgets and what we want is a job that will pay enough to buy them. He thinks that because those are HIS shitty values, and he's projecting them onto us because he is. not. listening.
All you guys are doing is condescending to us, telling us what we should do to achieve what YOU think our goals and values SHOULD BE. You're not listening to what our goals and values actually ARE.
I don't want an iphone, I was human rights, social and economic justice for the people who make iphones, and for the people who make everything else.
This is, again, where I tell you all that it's time for you to stop dismissing, stop condescending, stop lecturing and start listening.
"There comes a time in life when you walk away from all the drama and people who create it. You surround yourself with people who make you laugh, forget the bad, and focus on the good."
What I'm hearing you say is "Let them eat cake." Got it. Irwin already covered that.
"I was the one who said calm down, but I'm not an entitled dickbag, I'm an unemployed female."
Are you under the impression those things are mutually exclusive? They are not. The things you are saying are dickbaggy and steeped in entitlement. Your gender and employment status are not relevant.
"I know that's what you really meant when you said shut the fuck up to whoever you were referring to."
Yes, please continue telling me what I meant. That's not entitled and condescending and dickbaggy at all.
Here is what I meant:
Go fuck yourself. Don't tell me, or anyone, to calm down. You will take the reaction I give you. If you don't like it, go fuck yourself again, and repeat as needed.
p.s. you just lost another supporter. You're your own worst enemy.
"p.s. you just lost another supporter. You're your own worst enemy."
I know your sense of entitlement tells you that nothing can succeed without your approval, but you're wrong. We don't need your support or your permission, sorry to break it to you.
This isn't about you. Not even a tiny little bit.
Irwin, Thanks for your blog.
I consider it an educational tool of sorts, as I'm always learning something. Through this maze of name calling and finger pointing I've learned that the OWS movement has been overrun by the retards. Too bad because I was hoping that it would turn into something really positive. But at least now I have this bullshit figured out …. time to let the cops do their jobs and move these assholes along.
Sorry to prolong your agony, as I'm sure that this won't be the last word.
Never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it.
Good point, Me!
Sometimes, however, wrestling with the pig is a necessary evil, as in this case. What I've learned through all this bs is that a movement that started out all about me, and the rest of the 99%, has evolved into just another crusade for the racists, radicals, and retards ... and is not about the 99% anymore. It was worth the hassle to learn that, and thereby change my opinion on the OWS movement.
"It was worth the hassle to learn that, and thereby change my opinion on the OWS movement."
Good. You guys still seem to think our goal is, or should be, to win your support. It's like you've never even heard of the concept of a principled stand.
Commitment to social and economic justice is what unites us. Compromising those principles to win the support of people who don't believe in social and economic justice is just absurd. Why would we do that?
Why would we WANT you as an ally if you don't share our goals? Think about that. There's a big logic hole in the worldview you're clinging to.
It's smacks of narcissism, frankly. You can't imagine a world where your support is not valued above all else, including ethics.
Anyone who doesn't put the principles of social and economic justice above everything else is the 1%. You are the enemy. So go, and take your friends with you.
Don't let the tent flap hit your ass on the way out.
Time for me to move on.
May your anger and hatred someday turn into phlegmatic temperament and love.
Have a great life.
"May your anger and hatred someday turn into phlegmatic temperament and love."
What I'm hearing you say is "let them eat cake." Got it, Robespierre. You guys are really sticking that one (completely morally bankrupt) chestnut, aren't you.
No justice, no peace.
I love these kind of constructive opinions so much! you really catch me with this stuff.
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